rather a political risk in pursuit of peace than to risk peace in pursuit of politics

An American President sided with Russia over our own intelligence community.

And it's "awesome."

You know what is totally weird?

Rightwingers called me a traitor for daring to question the wisdom and efficacy of the War on Iraq they wanted so badly. I think a couple of them even wanted me to be put in Gitmo for protesting the Iraq War.

Some of those exact same rightwingers are now cheering for the Kremlin and Russian intelligence agencies to meddle in our elections and engage in asymmetric cyber-warfare against American political parties.


If the internet had not taught me that Righty tends to be an unprincipled, party-over-country, quasi-treasonous hyperpartisan, I might actually be a little shocked!
 
He never sided WITH Russia; that's moronic. The notion that Trump doesn't love this country more than the entire band of idiots within the DNC is not merely moronic, but preposterous.

It's almost as stupid as ignoring Julian Assange when he tells us he did not get the hacked e-mails from Russians.

He sided w/ Russia this morning. He sided w/ Putin over our own intel personnel.

It really couldn't have been more blatant. That's why jaws are dropping all over America tonight - and it's not just TDS liberals.
 
You know what is totally weird?

Rightwingers called me a traitor for daring to question the wisdom and efficacy of the War on Iraq they wanted so badly. I think a couple of them even wanted me to be put in Gitmo for protesting the Iraq War.

Some of those exact same rightwingers are now cheering for the Kremlin and Russian intelligence agencies to meddle in our elections and engage in asymmetric cyber-warfare against American political parties.


If the internet had not taught me that Righty tends to be an unprincipled, party-over-country, quasi-treasonous hyperpartisan, I might actually be a little shocked!

I actually am shocked - I had the same treatment during Iraq.

One thing I was always thought was one of the right's unwavering tenets was the idea that you never doubted America in favor of a foreign power. Especially Russia. It's been unreal today to hear not just the righties here, but talk radio & Fox trying to rationalize what Trump did this morning.

It's depressing. It all just speaks to how quickly many can abandon reason & principle for blind devotion to what is clearly a cult of personality.
 
trump.

awesome..American politics are poisoned by Russiaphobia / Mueller / "da Russian".

Trump takes the difficult road eschewing political gain for peace :thumbsup:

Wow, what a fucking coward you are. Putin is in no position to start shit with us anyway, there is no need to act all weak and pathetic.
 
President Trump and Vladimir Putin tackled allegations of election meddling in unprecedented terms following their one-on-one summit Monday, with Trump opening the door to an unusual offer of cooperation in the special counsel probe and the Russian president suggesting he indeed favored the billionaire businessman in 2016.

But Putin, emphatically and repeatedly, denied meddling in the U.S. election, saying there's "no evidence." And Trump, while saying they spent a "great deal of time" discussing the allegations, blasted the ongoing probe as a "disaster for our country."

The two leaders spoke at a freewheeling joint press conference following a pair of meetings -- one private -- in Helsinki, Finland. Trump and Putin touted the summit as a "success," vowing to improve ties on a range of issues.

“I would rather take a political risk in pursuit of peace than to risk peace in pursuit of politics,” Trump declared.

During their press conference, few topics were off limits. The session with international reporters ended with Putin being asked whether he had compromising material on Trump, which he dismissed as "nonsense." Even that moment was overshadowed by the extensive comments on election meddling.

Trump once again asserted there was "no collusion."

I didn’t know the president. There was no one to collude with, and there was no collusion with the campaign,” Trump said, suggesting Democrats have used the issue as an excuse for losing. “We ran a brilliant campaign, and that’s why I’m president.”

When asked which side is responsible for damaged relations, Trump said, "I hold both countries responsible."

The statement drew bipartisan criticism back in Washington.

"This is bizarre and flat-out wrong. The United States is not to blame," Sen. Ben Sasse, R-Neb., said in a statement.

Former CIA director John Brennan, who frequently blasts Trump, tweeted: "Donald Trump’s press conference performance in Helsinki rises to & exceeds the threshold of 'high crimes & misdemeanors.' It was nothing short of treasonous."

The two leaders said they discussed a host of other issues during their meeting Monday in Helsinki, and were working toward strengthening U.S.-Russian relations -- which Trump said “has never been worse than it is now” despite the push from Democrats and some Republicans back home in the U.S. to cancel the summit.

But he said the relationship has changed. Trump said he would “not make decisions on foreign policy in a futile effort to appease partisan critics, the media or Democrats who want to resist and obstruct.”

At one point, Putin handed Trump a soccer ball and said "the ball is now in your court."

The joint press conference was held minutes after the historic summit between the two leaders Monday. The two met one-on-one for more than two hours, and later in an expanded meeting with key advisers.

Trump, as the private meeting began earlier Monday, said the two would have “a lot of good things to talk about,” from trade to missile defense to China. A host of other issues, from Russia election meddling to the annexation of Crimea to Syria, were also expected to come up.

“I think we will end up having an extraordinary relationship,” Trump said, sitting next to Putin earlier at the presidential palace in Helsinki.

Putin later said he and Trump agreed to continue detailed discussions on arms control issues.

Putin said Russia and the U.S. should discuss a possible extension of the 2010 New START nuclear arms reduction treaty and the implementation of the 1987 Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty.


http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ddling-as-leaders-tout-summit-as-success.html

But he won't talk with the Iranians, or the Palestinians. He calls the EU our enemy. He mocks the US, and denigrates its intelligence agencies. He does great harm to our economy. And defends Putin, China, No. Korea, etc.

BTW, why didn't your Faux News article show where Russia had violated the Arms Treaty?

But to you he is "an awesome genius".

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...n-boasts-of-unstoppable-missile-a8235701.html
 
Trump not withstanding, we have royally screwed up managing post-Soviet Russia's transition to modernity and democracy for decades. Why not try a new tactic with the old ones having largely been dismal failures.
 
Trump not withstanding, we have royally screwed up managing post-Soviet Russia's transition to modernity and democracy for decades. Why not try a new tactic with the old ones having largely been dismal failures.
post of the year!! why not indeed?

do we really want NATO expansion and the increased war tensions it brings?
Do we want to marginalize Russia right into Xi's arm ? do we want to give peace a chance or not?
 
trump.

awesome..American politics are poisoned by Russiaphobia / Mueller / "da Russian".

Trump takes the difficult road eschewing political gain for peace :thumbsup:

You pathetic puppets.

It must be horrible for you people to look yourselves in a mirror.

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So, do you preach this "puppet" bullshit to your conservative golfing buddies, or do you just reserve it for political forums?

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You people should be humiliated...but one advantage to being as ignorant and subjugated as you folk...is that "humiliation" is not part of your vocabulary.
 
Trump not withstanding, we have royally screwed up managing post-Soviet Russia's transition to modernity and democracy for decades. Why not try a new tactic with the old ones having largely been dismal failures.

Part of the reason for the wailing and gnashing of teeth is because Trump pointed that out.

Yet, how can anyone deny the obvious fact our relationship with Russia has been mismanaged over at least a decade or longer?

What am I saying lol. They will simply deny it.
 
Part of the reason for the wailing and gnashing of teeth is because Trump pointed that out.

Yet, how can anyone deny the obvious fact our relationship with Russia has been mismanaged over at least a decade or longer?

What am I saying lol. They will simply deny it.

Arms dealers, shysters and ethnic cleansers would claim that it's been managed very well.
 
Where were libs in 2012 when Obama was busted on a hot mike telling Russian Prime Minister Medvedev, he would have "more flexibility" after his reelection? Is that not textbook "collusion"? This feigned outrage is soooo transparent.

How is a single comment of diplomacy, talking about flexibility, collusion? Trump is kissing ass man. He's going out of his way, and even out of character playing nice. He will lambast other countries at a drop of a pin, and meander every idea in to cater to Russia. It's so apparent you'd think he was trolling us. The idiot Trumpkins praise what they would have stormed the castle with pitchforks, and torches over any other time.

If people can't come to the table with reasoned discourse, where the side of the aisle doesn't matter in certain actions, they don't deserve to be there. I'd be pissed if my president choice acted like Trump, and want him gone before he compromises America, and it's interests in the world stage. It's fucking pathetic, and so is anyone with the, but their guy did this whining. We were there, we paid attention. Nothing our guy did even holds a candle. I would be beyond pissed no matter who it was. Brown nosing is an abhorrent act, for groveling little candyasses, that feel absolved by self interests being fulfilled. If I wanted a leader that crawled on it's belly disgustingly, I'd elect a tapeworm.
 
How is a single comment of diplomacy, talking about flexibility, collusion? Trump is kissing ass man. He's going out of his way, and even out of character playing nice. He will lambast other countries at a drop of a pin, and meander every idea in to cater to Russia. It's so apparent you'd think he was trolling us. The idiot Trumpkins praise what they would have stormed the castle with pitchforks, and torches over any other time.

If people can't come to the table with reasoned discourse, where the side of the aisle doesn't matter in certain actions, they don't deserve to be there. I'd be pissed if my president choice acted like Trump, and want him gone before he compromises America, and it's interests in the world stage. It's fucking pathetic, and so is anyone with the, but their guy did this whining. We were there, we paid attention. Nothing our guy did even holds a candle. I would be beyond pissed no matter who it was. Brown nosing is an abhorrent act, for groveling little candyasses, that feel absolved by self interests being fulfilled. If I wanted a leader that crawled on it's belly disgustingly, I'd elect a tapeworm.

Spare the faux moral outrage and get back with us when Putin annexes Crimea under Trump, or some such.
 
How is a single comment of diplomacy, talking about flexibility, collusion? Trump is kissing ass man. He's going out of his way, and even out of character playing nice. He will lambast other countries at a drop of a pin, and meander every idea in to cater to Russia. It's so apparent you'd think he was trolling us. The idiot Trumpkins praise what they would have stormed the castle with pitchforks, and torches over any other time.

If people can't come to the table with reasoned discourse, where the side of the aisle doesn't matter in certain actions, they don't deserve to be there. I'd be pissed if my president choice acted like Trump, and want him gone before he compromises America, and it's interests in the world stage. It's fucking pathetic, and so is anyone with the, but their guy did this whining. We were there, we paid attention. Nothing our guy did even holds a candle. I would be beyond pissed no matter who it was. Brown nosing is an abhorrent act, for groveling little candyasses, that feel absolved by self interests being fulfilled. If I wanted a leader that crawled on it's belly disgustingly, I'd elect a tapeworm.

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