Amateur hour

Thing1 said:
I guess we disagree on "dysfunctional."

Trump's entire meeting w/ Putin - from the ill-advised decision to move forward w/ it after the indictments, to yesterday's fiasco news conference - was textbook dysfunctional, imo.

I just think it's about standards. You don't seem to think being President is an important job - you want to see a bull in a china shop approach. I think it's an important job. I want qualified, experienced people who don't embarrass us as a nation.
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I’m critical of Mullet for releasing the indictments knowing the president was preparing to meet with Putin—a man who leads an important nuclear power.

Maybe it’s Mullet who isn’t quite ready for prime time.

The Russian indictments are nothing more than a counterintelligence finding dressed up in legal garb. Why would he want to jeopardize the talks by releasing them right before the summit? He couldn’t wait a couple weeks? He doesn’t know what jeopardizing talks with a nuclear power could entail?

He doesn’t care? Or was it purely a political move as part of the ‘insurance policy’?
 
Thing1 said:
I guess we disagree on "dysfunctional."

Trump's entire meeting w/ Putin - from the ill-advised decision to move forward w/ it after the indictments, to yesterday's fiasco news conference - was textbook dysfunctional, imo.

I just think it's about standards. You don't seem to think being President is an important job - you want to see a bull in a china shop approach. I think it's an important job. I want qualified, experienced people who don't embarrass us as a nation.
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The only one's embarrassed are the Russiaphobes and neocons who don't want a rapproachment with Russia.
Add in the Dems for political reasons. add in the media because they hate Trump's pushing fake news aside.

The indictments were known long ago - Nunes wrote about it in the House memo.
Russian meddling has been known (even Trump has agreed before) for awhile.

so what do we do about it? Obama did literally nothing.
no confrontation ( except the meddling in the Euromaidan). but no dialog either..he watched from the side line as NATO continued to expand.
He put in some sanctions and threw out some Russians, but made no attempts to engage Putin to try to mitigate the underlying hostilities driving US/Russian relations.

Trump to his credit has sought peace with both North Korea (another Obama stand around and watch)
and a dialog with Putin to engage on realpolitik. engaement leads to reduced tensions,and gives Russia a stake
in not warring in Donbass.

The fact this so enrages John Brennan should give you a clue of his motives. Which brings us back
to the initial FBI investigation -run by more haters who with their last breath want a hostile relationship with Russia.

Put all that up against a misspeak in Helsinki -and it's not even close.
Trump is looking for peaceful co-existence instead of war with North Korea,
and an improved Russian relation which can only be a plus for peace.

At the same time Trump is putting pressure on both Putin and North Korea to clean up their acts. win/win
 
Darth Omar said:
I’m critical of Mullet for releasing the indictments knowing the president was preparing to meet with Putin—a man who leads an important nuclear power.

Maybe it’s Mullet who isn’t quite ready for prime time.

The Russian indictments are nothing more than a counterintelligence finding dressed up in legal garb. Why would he want to jeopardize the talks by releasing them right before the summit? He couldn’t wait a couple weeks? He doesn’t know what jeopardizing talks with a nuclear power could entail?

He doesn’t care? Or was it purely a political move as part of the ‘insurance policy’?
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Um...you'd rather he hold that information, and let Trump meet w/ Putin with no awareness of those findings?

That makes no sense.
 
countryboy said:
Obviously, Liberals like you know what's best for everyone. Screw the will of the people, you know better. When are you idiots going to get over the fact that you ran a horrible candidate who ran a horrible campaign? Instead of blaming everyone else for your fuck ups, why don't you get to work on issues, and take back some of the power you've lost over the last decade? Or are you just going to continue to wallow in your woe is me, it's everyone else's fault, little pity party? You people are so fucking pathetic, you don't deserve power.
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Democrat leaders have failed us, but the liberals can't see that.

Did Clinton or Obama denuclearize North Korea?
Did Clinton or Obama enact a Muslim ban to keep us safe?
Did Clinton or Obama take steps to deter illegal immigrants?
 
Thing1 said:
Can we get together and change our priorities when electing a President?

This is an important job. We shouldn't want someone who "talks just like us!" We shouldn't care about someone being folksy, or eating pork rinds, or who we'd rather have a beer with.

We also need to get off of the idea of needing some sort of mythical "outsider" who doesn't have a clue what Washington is about or what it means to be a politician. Being a politician is a job - it requires skill & some nuance, and if you want to be good at it, some intelligence & experience.

This is what we get for not treating the election of candidates like it's an interview for the most important job there is. This is embarrassing.
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Perhaps the you part of we can find a better candidate so we have an alternative between a feline grabber and the enabler of a feline grabber
 
Who we select as president is not important, no matter what you believe -- very few presidents have had any hand into the policy making aspect of governing, least of all Trump.

So as long as the party of your choice is in office, the think tanks, lobbyists, corporations and policy wonks will always be the ones making the government go, not the president.

If you ask Trump to speak in detail about the mechanisms of any policy his administration has implemented -- it would be embarrassing to watch -- stop thinking Trump is behind these policies, he is not.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
There's no question, country, that we do indeed know better than anyone of your ilk.
But try to know what you're talking about anyway.

Liberals didn't nominate Secretary Clinton because Secretary Clinton was a centrist like her husband Bubba, not a liberal.
In terms of competence, she was highly qualified, but she's not an ideological liberal.

The Democratic Establishment nominated the Secretary.

Liberals voted for Senator Sanders in the Democratic Primaries.

We voted for the Secretary in the general election because one had to be lower than whale shit to vote for Trump.
And then we learned how many Americans are lower than whale shit.
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Despite being a crappy candidate, Clinton still managed to get 3 million more votes than Chief Whale Shit.
 
Thing1 said:
Can we get together and change our priorities when electing a President?

This is an important job. We shouldn't want someone who "talks just like us!" We shouldn't care about someone being folksy, or eating pork rinds, or who we'd rather have a beer with.

We also need to get off of the idea of needing some sort of mythical "outsider" who doesn't have a clue what Washington is about or what it means to be a politician. Being a politician is a job - it requires skill & some nuance, and if you want to be good at it, some intelligence & experience.

This is what we get for not treating the election of candidates like it's an interview for the most important job there is. This is embarrassing.
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Just because you think it is embarrassing doesn't mean everyone does. Maybe you could be supportive of freedom and let people vote for whomever they want?

Or do you think you are so smart you should be able to tell everyone what they should and shouldn't do. Maybe you could mind your own fucking business for a change?

Oh wait, you think America is in peril right? Sure, wring your hands
 
Legion said:
With the passage of the GOP tax bill, the Trump administration scored major achievements in its first year, making good on campaign promises to provide significant tax cuts, boost U.S. energy production, and restore respect to the United States.

And along the way, President Trump even outdid his own expectations and slashed at least 11 major legacy items of former President Barack Obama, including cracking down on the open border, slowing recognition of communist Cuba and effectively killing Obamacare by ending the mandate that everyone have health insurance or face a tax.

Below are the facts.

  • Passage of the tax reform bill provided $5.5 billion in cuts and repealing the Obamacare mandate.
  • The GDP rose above 3 percent.
  • 1.7 million new jobs, cutting unemployment to 4.1 percent.
  • Saw the Dow Jones reach record highs.
  • A rebound in economic confidence to a 17-year high.
  • A new executive order to boost apprenticeships.
  • A move to boost computer sciences in Education Department programs.
  • Prioritizing women-owned businesses for some $500 million in SBA loans.
  • Signed an Executive Order demanding that two regulations be killed for every new one creates. He beat that big and cut 16 rules and regulations for every one created, saving $8.1 billion.
  • Signed 15 congressional regulatory cuts.
  • Withdrew from the Obama-era Paris Climate Agreement.
  • Signed an Executive Order cutting the time for infrastructure permit approvals.
  • Eliminated an Obama rule that Trump felt unfairly targeted the coal industry.
  • Made good on his campaign promise to withdraw from the Trans-Pacific Partnership.
  • Opened up the North American Free Trade Agreement for talks to better the deal for the U.S.
  • Worked to bring companies back to the U.S., and companies like Toyota, Mazda, Broadcom Limited, and Foxconn announced plans to open U.S. plants.
  • Worked to promote the sale of U.S products abroad.
  • Made enforcement of U.S. trade laws, especially those that involve national security, a priority.
  • Ended Obama’s deal with Cuba.
  • The Department of Interior opened 77 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico for oil and gas drilling.
  • Trump traveled the world to promote the sale and use of U.S. energy.
  • Expanded energy infrastructure projects like the Keystone XL Pipeline snubbed by Obama.
  • Ordered the Environmental Protection Agency to kill Obama’s Clean Power Plan.
  • EPA reconsidered the Obama rules on methane emissions.
  • Laid out new principles for reforming immigration and announced plan to end "chain migration," which lets one legal immigrant to bring in dozens of family members.
  • Made progress to build the border wall with Mexico.
  • Ended the Obama-era “catch and release” of illegal immigrants.
  • Boosted the arrests of illegals inside the U.S.
  • Doubled the number of counties participating with Immigration and Customs Enforcement charged with deporting illegals.
  • Removed 36 percent more criminal gang members than in fiscal 2016.
  • Started the end of the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival program.
  • Ditto for other amnesty programs like Deferred Action for Parents of Americans.
  • Cracking down on some 300 sanctuary cities that defy ICE but still get federal dollars.
  • Added 100 new immigration judges.
  • Justice announced grants of $98 million to fund new police hires.
  • Justice worked with Central American nations to arrest and charge 4,000 MS-13 members.
  • Homeland rounded up nearly 800 MS-13 members, an 83 percent one-year increase.
  • Signed three executive orders aimed at cracking down on international criminal organizations.
  • Attorney General Jeff Sessions created new National Public Safety Partnership, a cooperative initiative with cities to reduce violent crimes.
  • Trump nominated 73 federal judges and Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court.
  • Ordered ethical standards including a lobbying ban.
  • Called for a comprehensive plan to reorganize the executive branch.
  • Ordered an overhaul to modernize the digital government.
  • Called for a full audit of the Pentagon and its spending.
  • The president declared a nationwide public health emergency on opioids.
  • His Council of Economic Advisors played a role in determining that overdoses are underreported by as much as 24 percent.
  • The Department of Health and Human Services laid out a new five-point strategy to fight the crisis.
  • Justice announced it was scheduling fentanyl substances as a drug class under the Controlled Substances Act.
  • Justice started a fraud crackdown, arresting more than 400.
  • The administration added $500 million to fight the crisis.
  • On National Drug Take Back Day, the Drug Enforcement Agency collected 456 tons.
  • In his first week, Trump reinstated and expanded the Mexico City Policy that blocks some $9 billion in foreign aid being used for abortions.
  • Worked with Congress on a bill overturning an Obama regulation that blocked states from defunding abortion providers.
  • Published guidance to block Obamacare money from supporting abortion.
  • Signed the Veterans Accountability and Whistleblower Protection Act to allow senior officials in the Department of Veterans Affairs to fire failing employees and establish safeguards to protect whistleblowers.
  • Signed the Veterans Appeals Improvement and Modernization Act.
  • Signed the Harry W. Colmery Veterans Educational Assistance Act, to provide support.
  • Signed the VA Choice and Quality Employment Act of 2017 to authorize $2.1 billion in additional funds for the Veterans Choice Program.
  • Created a VA hotline.
  • Had the VA launch an online “Access and Quality Tool,” providing veterans with a way to access wait time and quality of care data.
  • With VA Secretary Dr. David Shulkin, announced three initiatives to expand access to healthcare for veterans using telehealth technology.
  • Directed the rebuilding of the military and ordered a new national strategy and nuclear posture review.
  • Worked to increase defense spending.
  • Empowered military leaders to “seize the initiative and win,” reducing the need for a White House sign off on every mission.
  • Directed the revival of the National Space Council to develop space war strategies.
  • Elevated U.S. Cyber Command into a major warfighting command.
  • Withdrew from the U.N. Global Compact on Migration, which Trump saw as a threat to borders.
  • Imposed a travel ban on nations that lack border and anti-terrorism security.
  • Saw ISIS lose virtually all of its territory.
  • Pushed for strong action against global outlaw North Korea and its development of nuclear weapons.
  • Announced a new Afghanistan strategy that strengthens support for U.S. forces at war with terrorism.
  • NATO increased support for the war in Afghanistan.
  • Approved a new Iran strategy plan focused on neutralizing the country’s influence in the region.
  • Ordered missile strikes against a Syrian airbase used in a chemical weapons attack.
  • Prevented subsequent chemical attacks by announcing a plan to detect them better and warned of future strikes if they were used.
  • Ordered new sanctions on the dictatorship in Venezuela.
  • Trump won the release of Americans held abroad, often using his personal relationships with world leaders.
  • Made good on a campaign promise to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.



https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/year-one-list-81-major-trump-achievements-11-obama-legacy-items-repealed/article/2644159
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Raised the deficit to a trillion dollars per year and climbing, breaking his promise to lower debt.
 
Teflon Don said:
Just because you think it is embarrassing doesn't mean everyone does. Maybe you could be supportive of freedom and let people vote for whomever they want?

Or do you think you are so smart you should be able to tell everyone what they should and shouldn't do. Maybe you could mind your own fucking business for a change?

Oh wait, you think America is in peril right? Sure, wring your hands
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Most people think it's embarrassing. And where in my OP am I not "supporting freedom?" Am I suggesting any sort of restrictions?
 
Thing1 said:
Most people think it's embarrassing. And where in my OP am I not "supporting freedom?" Am I suggesting any sort of restrictions?
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You are suggesting that people don't have the right priorities. Who are you? Is it some amorphous question just designed to make you feel good?

You are a clown
 
Thing1 said:
Thanks for admitting that I didn't suggest restricting freedom in any way.
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I didn't admit anything. You obviously think you are the smartest guy ever and like all liberals you think everyone should think and vote like you. That is how all totalitarians think
 
Thing1 said:
I guess we disagree on "dysfunctional."

Trump's entire meeting w/ Putin - from the ill-advised decision to move forward w/ it after the indictments, to yesterday's fiasco news conference - was textbook dysfunctional, imo.

I just think it's about standards. You don't seem to think being President is an important job - you want to see a bull in a china shop approach. I think it's an important job. I want qualified, experienced people who don't embarrass us as a nation.
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i want people who know the function of the government, who knows our policies and our positions and is able to articulate those policies and negotiate our positions. I want a president that defends our country when he stands beside despots.
 
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