Nike, Nike, Nike!

blackascoal said:
I'm really not interested in what you claim your 'black friends' have said, given your penchant for just making shit up.

God be with you brother .. but you need a better mirror.
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More of that "some of my best friends are black people". He likes Herman Cain and Clarence Thomas on TV, maybe Sowell.

I'll take Rufus Thomas.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I thought I'd just throw this into the stew pot. From 10 Signs You’re Actually Following TRUMPianity Instead of CHRISTianity:
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5. You think it’s God-honoring to refuse to bow to a national statue, but that you should be fired from your job, kicked out of the country, or even charged with treason for refusing to stand for the flag.

Let me get this straight: When everyone obeyed the king and bowed down to the national statue and Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego refused– under the pain of death– to pledge their allegiance to anyone except God, they were the good guys of the story…

But fast forward to present day America, and the good guys are actually the ones who want to force everyone to pay respect to the national symbol? Plot twist!

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/former...-instead-of-christianity/#tx6tvyq8sJwXJvOO.01
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huh? lol..oh i see ..something about religion/statues/Trump..some biblical dudes? what a crazy conflation ..
 
cawacko said:
Amazing how much time then you spend following someone who is utterly insignificant around the board.
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It's an anonymous chat board shoog, not all that much effort for most folks. "Around the board"? You're all over the board all day every day. But yeah, it's a nice day out, cheers.
 
blackascoal said:
I'm really not interested in what you claim your 'black friends' have said, given your penchant for just making shit up.

God be with you brother .. but you need a better mirror.
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You think I'm making up that black people talk about economic empowerment? Is that not something you discuss or have heard other black people talk about?
 
cawacko said:
You think I'm making up that black people talk about economic empowerment? Is that not something you discuss or have heard other black people talk about?
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I don't doubt that you've heard black people talking about it. I talk about it. The difference is that I'm better informed about it then you seem to be.

Your comment that "it takes more then athletes" makes me question if you even read the article I posted at all. Athletes and entertainers are just one component of it .. as clearly stated in the article.

Further, you don't appear to have a grasp of the issue that I would expect from anyone who discusses this with black people .. who as usual, come to a universal conclusion about issues that effect us. Even black police officers agree with Kap and Nike.
 
blackascoal said:
I don't doubt that you've heard black people talking about it. I talk about it. The difference is that I'm better informed about it then you seem to be.

Your comment that "it takes more then athletes" makes me question if you even read the article I posted at all. Athletes and entertainers are just one component of it .. as clearly stated in the article.

Further, you don't appear to have a grasp of the issue that I would expect from anyone who discusses this with black people .. who as usual, come to a universal conclusion about issues that effect us. Even black police officers agree with Kap and Nike.
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I didn't say anything about the ad or black police officers. I said one of the issues Kaep talks about is economic injustice. I said I believe, and have heard others argue, that ownership is away to narrow the economic gap. And since we were talking about Nike I said there was an opportunity in the space for a company with black ownership to be behind the message.

I'm not sure how that's controversial or viewed as negative. Economic empowerment is a good thing. And yes this goes far beyond a few athletes. In fact I think it can be argued that the argument is better made not by athletes as the chance for kids to become star athletes is so minuscule. There are way more opportunities to get into coding, tech or some other field. But economic empowerment is at the core .
 
blackascoal said:
I don't see you as an enemy .. and the reason that I don't is because I believe you know better. I believe you to be better than your politics.

It's hard to make targets of Guno, TTQ, Desh, OwlWoman, and others when you post on the same side of the fence with CFM, TDAK and the rest of the racist and uneducated scum on your side. You can't be comfortable being on the same team.

If I appear overly harsh and critical .. I make no apologies for that brother. What we are discussing is serious. I've been a witness to police murders of innocent African-Americans all my life.

History will judge Kaepernick and Nike far differently then you do. In fact, it already has.

We can debate whatever you like, but I suggest that you not interpret what someone says, rather quote it. That makes for a more honest conversation.

If you'd like to debate the effects changing demographics on the Republican Party, be my guest .. but that's not an argument you can win. A great many republicans know it's true. That's what Trumpism and immigration are all about. Neither are about trying to keep America safe, but rather trying to keep America white.

Not an argument you can win.
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You win the internet today :kiss2:
 
cawacko said:
I didn't say anything about the ad or black police officers. I said one of the issues Kaep talks about is economic injustice. I said I believe, and have heard others argue, that ownership is away to narrow the economic gap. And since we were talking about Nike I said there was an opportunity in the space for a company with black ownership to be behind the message.

I'm not sure how that's controversial or viewed as negative. Economic empowerment is a good thing. And yes this goes far beyond a few athletes. In fact I think it can be argued that the argument is better made not by athletes as the chance for kids to become star athletes is so minuscule. There are way more opportunities to get into coding, tech or some other field. But economic empowerment is at the core .
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When are you going to post this poof?

When are going to tell us what the republican party is doing about police brutality and NOW, economic injustice?
 
cawacko said:
I didn't say anything about the ad or black police officers. I said one of the issues Kaep talks about is economic injustice. I said I believe, and have heard others argue, that ownership is away to narrow the economic gap. And since we were talking about Nike I said there was an opportunity in the space for a company with black ownership to be behind the message.

I'm not sure how that's controversial or viewed as negative. Economic empowerment is a good thing. And yes this goes far beyond a few athletes. In fact I think it can be argued that the argument is better made not by athletes as the chance for kids to become star athletes is so minuscule. There are way more opportunities to get into coding, tech or some other field. But economic empowerment is at the core .
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I disagree with much of that.

First, Kaepernick talks about racial injustice far more then economic injustice .. which is not the point of his protest. Talking about economic injustice, which is an entirely different subject, detracts from the real point of his argument. It doesn't matter how much money one makes, if you are black, the police may kill you because of it and for no other reason. THAT is the point.

A black company of any kind is not going have the same power behind the message as NIKE .. because NIKE is not a black company. What makes you think a message of civility and justice should only be spoken by black people?

Economic empowerment has nothing to do with the central issue .. and it only comes up now that Nike is in the game.

Your argument that it's better done by regular people than athletes again misses the point. Did LeBron open up a gymnasium, or did he open up a school? Do you think the only thing on the curriculum is basketball or sports?
 
blackascoal said:
I disagree with much of that.

First, Kaepernick talks about racial injustice far more then economic injustice .. which is not the point of his protest. Talking about economic injustice, which is an entirely different subject, detracts from the real point of his argument. It doesn't matter how much money one makes, if you are black, the police may kill you because of it and for no other reason. THAT is the point.

A black company of any kind is not going have the same power behind the message as NIKE .. because NIKE is not a black company. What makes you think a message of civility and justice should only be spoken by black people?

Economic empowerment has nothing to do with the central issue .. and it only comes up now that Nike is in the game.

Your argument that it's better done by regular people than athletes again misses the point. Did LeBron open up a gymnasium, or did he open up a school? Do you think the only thing on the curriculum is basketball or sports?
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Fair enough that you disagree. This is a discussion board and I can respect that people can have differing opinions. I wouldn't want to be on a board that was purely an echo chamber.

The reason I brought up economics is because this thread was about Nike and its share price. You say it wasn't a big one but Kaep did talk about economic injustice so that's why I was discussing it.

I've stated before that I own a ton of Nike gear. So yes it has crossed my mind if I wear the same Nike shirt tomorrow that I've worn for the last year will I go from supporting a big evil corporation that offshores jobs and uses sweatshops to being considered progressive? Ultimately that's neither here nor there but seeing as people are now saying they are going to go buy Nike because of the ad it's an interesting position.

To be clear I have no problem with Nike making money here. And maybe it takes a "white" company to be the one putting out this message. But speaking from an entrepreneurial perspective I believe there is an opening in the shoe space with consumers who are reading to spend.

There are millions of "regular" people. There are only a few world class athletes. I'm not arguing it's an either or scenario. To me you're (probably not on purpose) using the argument white people made to say American isn't racist. Oprah's a billionaire, Jordan is a billionaire, LeBron is wealthy. So see, black people can get rich is the argument that gets made. And while that is true a few at the top doesn't mean the whole is good. Hence my position about economic ownership and empowerment.
 
Much better from someone who supports our country.
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HillbillyStyle said:
Much better from someone who supports our country.

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trump supports himself only and always has. What has he ever done in his life to show he supports the US... having his products made overseas? Getting out of Vietnam because of bone spurs? Criticizing all his predecessors?
 
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