If They Bet On Nuclear, Not Renewables, Germany & California Would Have 100% Clean Po

Havana Moon said:
Watts Barr 2 achieved criticality in 2016!
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And isn't it true that project started in the 70s and uses 1970s technology? Scaling up nuclear isn't going to be practical if we have decades between starting a new project and actually getting any energy out of it.
 
Havana Moon said:
That's more to do with the irrationality of Americans, risk analysis is just not something that many are capable of understanding.
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I don't disagree. But moving the mindset of over 300 million people isn't an easy task, which suggests we might make better strides towards a sustainable carbon economy by focusing somewhere other than nuclear.
 
Oneuli said:
I don't disagree. But moving the mindset of over 300 million people isn't an easy task, which suggests we might make better strides towards a sustainable carbon economy by focusing somewhere other than nuclear.
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Actually it only takes one Senator to block anything.
Tom is full of crap.
Wiki Harry Reid.
 
Oneuli said:
I don't disagree. But moving the mindset of over 300 million people isn't an easy task, which suggests we might make better strides towards a sustainable carbon economy by focusing somewhere other than nuclear.
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You wait and see what happens when much of the US nuclear capacity is shut down. If you don't know then look at Germany when they tried to shut down nuclear and ended up building loads of lignite fuelled power stations instead.
 
Havana Moon said:
You wait and see what happens when much of the US nuclear capacity is shut down. If you don't know then look at Germany when they tried to shut down nuclear and ended up building loads of lignite fuelled power stations instead.
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I hope we don't shut down existing nuclear capacity. I'm just being realistic about the political viability of greatly expanding nuclear capacity. People who wouldn't bat an eye at a big new solar farm being installed somewhere near their homes will absolutely lose their minds over a new nuclear plant being built.
 
" People who wouldn't bat an eye at a big new solar farm being installed somewhere near their homes will absolutely lose their minds over a new nuclear plant being built. " O #69
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It used to be:
NIMBY: not in my back yard. But now it's

BANANA: Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything

I suspect decentralization may play a significant role in domestic power decades in our future.
 
Oneuli said:
I hope we don't shut down existing nuclear capacity. I'm just being realistic about the political viability of greatly expanding nuclear capacity. People who wouldn't bat an eye at a big new solar farm being installed somewhere near their homes will absolutely lose their minds over a new nuclear plant being built.
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Too late, it is already happening. There is only one nuclear plant left in California in Diablo Canyon.

https://www.power-eng.com/articles/...r-power-plants-already-closed-or-closing.html
 
Truth Detector said:
Good lord; you can't be this stupid. Germany's energy nedds aren't being met by clean energy. They try to get rid of it when energy demands go down because there is no way to STORE the energy being created by these so-called "green" plants. It isn't because they produce too much. Dolt.
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It's still a developing energy source. Nobody is saying Germany can be powered 100% by renewable energies right now. But, it is a fact that Germany is able to utilize more and more renewable energy each year. Germany's green power has grown by a third in just the last three years. 9.5 times more than just last year, which is a record. They produced enough renewable energy (104 billion kWh to be exact) in the first 6 months of this year to power Germany's homes for a whole year.

https://www.independent.co.uk/envir...ths-year-solar-power-wind-farms-a8427356.html

California is also blowing right through renewable energy records.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/almanac/electricity_data/total_system_power.html

Nuclear power is mostly stagnant. Not much of any progress at all is being made in the technology or application.

I might also add that solar energy is an easily decentralized energy source so many people could get solar panels just for personal use and save on their energy bill. It doesn't have to be a whole big country-wide thing like other energy sources. Because country-wide application is where we are coming up short currently.

Most of Germany's energy needs are met by importing it, coal which is the largest source and nuclear.

Same with California you idiot. The notion that wind and solar can provide the hundreds of thousands of megawatts necessary to power Germany and California are laughably stupid.
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At the current rate of progress, they are predicting the ability to use 65% renewable energies by 2030. I'm inclined to believe that because they are currently on track to meet their 2020 target. Like I said, it's a developing technology. But if it's blowing through records annually and they are meeting their targets, there's no legitimate reason to believe we couldn't power Germany almost entirely on renewable energies in the near future.
 
TrippyHippy said:
It's still a developing energy source. Nobody is saying Germany can be powered 100% by renewable energies right now. But, it is a fact that Germany is able to utilize more and more renewable energy each year. Germany's green power has grown by a third in just the last three years. 9.5 times more than just last year, which is a record. They produced enough renewable energy (104 billion kWh to be exact) in the first 6 months of this year to power Germany's homes for a whole year.

https://www.independent.co.uk/envir...ths-year-solar-power-wind-farms-a8427356.html

California is also blowing right through renewable energy records.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/almanac/electricity_data/total_system_power.html

Nuclear power is mostly stagnant. Not much of any progress at all is being made in the technology or application.

I might also add that solar energy is an easily decentralized energy source so many people could get solar panels just for personal use and save on their energy bill. It doesn't have to be a whole big country-wide thing like other energy sources. Because country-wide application is where we are coming up short currently.



At the current rate of progress, they are predicting the ability to use 65% renewable energies by 2030. I'm inclined to believe that because they are currently on track to meet their 2020 target. Like I said, it's a developing technology. But if it's blowing through records annually and they are meeting their targets, there's no legitimate reason to believe we couldn't power Germany almost entirely on renewable energies in the near future.
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As of the end of 2015, renewable energy sources, such as biomass, biogas, biofuels, hydro, wind and solar, accounted for 12.4% of the country's primary energy consumption.

They will NEVER be able to support their economy with renewable's. You can take that to the bank snowflake.
 
Truth Detector said:
As of the end of 2015, renewable energy sources, such as biomass, biogas, biofuels, hydro, wind and solar, accounted for 12.4% of the country's primary energy consumption.

They will NEVER be able to support their economy with renewable's. You can take that to the bank snowflake.
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did you vote for Trump?
 
reagansghost said:
did you vote for Trump?
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:lolup:No longer pretending to be an escapee from a mental institution. :rofl2:

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Truth Detector said:
As of the end of 2015, renewable energy sources, such as biomass, biogas, biofuels, hydro, wind and solar, accounted for 12.4% of the country's primary energy consumption.

They will NEVER be able to support their economy with renewable's. You can take that to the bank snowflake.
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Thanks for making my point for me, TD. :good4u:

By the end of 2017, renewable energy sources accounted for 33.1% of the country's primary energy consumption. Making that a 20.7% increase in just two years. At the current rate of progress, they are set to blow their 2020 target of 35% out of the water. And will probably reach their 2030 target of 65% years ahead of schedule.

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https://energytransition.org/2018/01/german-energy-consumption-2017/

The rate of progress for renewable energy is phenomenal. Surpassing the rate of progress for any other energy sources (including and especially nuclear) by light years.
 
TrippyHippy said:
It's still a developing energy source. Nobody is saying Germany can be powered 100% by renewable energies right now. But, it is a fact that Germany is able to utilize more and more renewable energy each year. Germany's green power has grown by a third in just the last three years. 9.5 times more than just last year, which is a record. They produced enough renewable energy (104 billion kWh to be exact) in the first 6 months of this year to power Germany's homes for a whole year.

https://www.independent.co.uk/envir...ths-year-solar-power-wind-farms-a8427356.html

California is also blowing right through renewable energy records.

http://www.energy.ca.gov/almanac/electricity_data/total_system_power.html

Nuclear power is mostly stagnant. Not much of any progress at all is being made in the technology or application.

I might also add that solar energy is an easily decentralized energy source so many people could get solar panels just for personal use and save on their energy bill. It doesn't have to be a whole big country-wide thing like other energy sources. Because country-wide application is where we are coming up short currently.



At the current rate of progress, they are predicting the ability to use 65% renewable energies by 2030. I'm inclined to believe that because they are currently on track to meet their 2020 target. Like I said, it's a developing technology. But if it's blowing through records annually and they are meeting their targets, there's no legitimate reason to believe we couldn't power Germany almost entirely on renewable energies in the near future.
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You're talking bollocks, there is a huge amount of activity in the nuclear world. SMR reactors are poised to become huge in years to come!

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jamesc...lar-reactors-are-the-wave-of-nuclears-future/
 
moon said:
Not if we stop 'em, maggot. Your environmental vandalism is unacceptable.
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To be fair, this is is supposed to be a reactor that cannot meltdown. If I understand it correctly. I don't think it produces toxic waste like traditional nuclear reactors either. So I don't think it would be "environmental vandalism" in the way we usually consider nuclear to be.
 
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