Kavanaugh protest: Furious protestors BURST into US Senate building

[Ross Dolan]

It is ALWAYS too early to do that.

No, Guille...IT IS NEVER TOO EARLY.

Fact is, though, I suspect it is already too LATE.

America has fallen apart.

Our generation...the last several decades...will almost certainly be seen by future historians as the generation when America committed political suicide.

 

[Lightbringer]

Learn your history, Frankie.

Hitler rose to power, in large part, by using the identical *fascist* tactics as used by AntiFa—a group which democrats refuse to condemn. College campuses shut down debate—and are allowed to get away with it by the left. Hitler shut down debate with violence and the far left is teetering on that ugly brink.

 

[Lightbringer]

No, Guille...IT IS NEVER TOO EARLY.

Fact is, though, I suspect it is already too LATE.

America has fallen apart.

Our generation...the last several decades...will almost certainly be seen by future historians as the generation when America committed political suicide.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Learn your history, Frankie.

Hitler rose to power, in large part, by using the identical *fascist* tactics as used by AntiFa—a group which democrats refuse to condemn. College campuses shut down debate—and are allowed to get away with it by the left. Hitler shut down debate with violence and the far left is teetering on that ugly brink.

Wake the fuck up,Darth.

The Hitler/Trump comparison is spot on.

But the assholes of the American right refuse to open their eyes.

 

[Ross Dolan]

 

[Darth Omar]

I guess the assholes thinking "The person must be presumed innocent"...are thinking, "The victim must be presumed to be lying."

There was NEVER going to be corroboration of the incident with Ford and Kavanaugh...unless Kavanaugh and/or Judge fessed up...which neither was going to do.

In a non-trial setting...a man accused of having violated or assaulted a woman...SHOULD BE PRESUMED TO HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF THE ACT...and have a thorough investigation of the allegation.

Some will be innocent...some will be guilty...

...ALMOST NONE WILL BE PROVED EITHER WAY WITHOUT THE EXISTENCE OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE.

But an impartial THOROUGH investigation is a must...particularly in an instance of this sort.

The asshole conservatives got their way. The got a cheap, non-investigation investigation...and cover to confirm.

Fine. Elections have consequences.

We are all the worse for this last election. MUCH THE WORSE.

The SCUM of the American right is running our country...and by extension, greatly influencing the world.

WHAT A HORRIBLE SHAME THAT IS.

Megyn Kelly is a feminist and she said it was ‘absurd’ to believe women accusers—just because they are women. In instances where it’s impossible to prove guilt/innocence the man is going to lose, every time, if women are to be believed no matter what.

When the presumption of innocence is abandoned—even as a principle, as in Kavanaugh’s instance, we are headed down a dark road, Frankie.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Megyn Kelly is a feminist and she said it was ‘absurd’ to believe women accusers—just because they are women. In instances where it’s impossible to prove guilt/innocence the man is going to lose, every time, if women are to be believed no matter what.

When the presumption of innocence is abandoned—even as a principle, as in Kavanaugh’s instance, we are headed down a dark road, Frankie.

THEN DO NOT "BELIEVE" EITHER WAY, ASSHOLE.

Investigate to the best degree possible.

That is what I have been saying at every juncture of this case

THAT WAS NOT DONE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

 

[Lightbringer]

THEN DO NOT "BELIEVE" EITHER WAY, ASSHOLE.

Investigate to the best degree possible.

That is what I have been saying at every juncture of this case

THAT WAS NOT DONE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

You've changed my mind, you're right. Six background investigations by the FBI weren't enough.

 

[Ross Dolan]

You've changed my mind, you're right. Six background investigations by the FBI weren't enough.

THERE WERE NOT SIX BACKGROUND CHECKS INTO THIS ALLEGATION.

THERE WERE NO THOROUGH CHECKS INTO IT AT ALL.

THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN...BUT THAT WAS STYMIED BY THE REPUBLICANS BECAUSE THEY WANTED KAVANAUGH ON THE SCOTUS EVEN IF HE SHOT SOMEONE ON FIFTH AVENUE.

 

[TOP]

I guess the assholes thinking "The person must be presumed innocent"...are thinking, "The victim must be presumed to be lying."

There was NEVER going to be corroboration of the incident with Ford and Kavanaugh...unless Kavanaugh and/or Judge fessed up...which neither was going to do.

In a non-trial setting...a man accused of having violated or assaulted a woman...SHOULD BE PRESUMED TO HAVE BEEN ACCUSED OF THE ACT...and have a thorough investigation of the allegation.

Some will be innocent...some will be guilty...

...ALMOST NONE WILL BE PROVED EITHER WAY WITHOUT THE EXISTENCE OF PHYSICAL EVIDENCE.

But an impartial THOROUGH investigation is a must...particularly in an instance of this sort.

The asshole conservatives got their way. The got a cheap, non-investigation investigation...and cover to confirm.

Fine. Elections have consequences.

We are all the worse for this last election. MUCH THE WORSE.

The SCUM of the American right is running our country...and by extension, greatly influencing the world.

WHAT A HORRIBLE SHAME THAT IS.

They did an investigation. It looks like it's doubtful that the particular party she "references" even took place, let alone the attack....

 

[Lightbringer]

THERE WERE NOT SIX BACKGROUND CHECKS INTO THIS ALLEGATION.

THERE WERE NO THOROUGH CHECKS INTO IT AT ALL.

THERE SHOULD HAVE BEEN...BUT THAT WAS STYMIED BY THE REPUBLICANS BECAUSE THEY WANTED KAVANAUGH ON THE SCOTUS EVEN IF HE SHOT SOMEONE ON FIFTH AVENUE.

Yelling already? This early in the morning. You should go play some golf.

 

[Ross Dolan]

They did an investigation. It looks like it's doubtful that the particular party she "references" even took place, let alone the attack....

I'm sorry. Did I cause you to crawl out from under your rock too early this morning, TOP?

I guess I was yelling a bit.

I'll try to tone it down.

Crawl back under.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Yelling already? This early in the morning. You should go play some golf.

Yeah. But I gotta do a thing in the City today.

Goddam trains are running late. So it is going to be a bad commute.

No problem. I'll take it out on you assholes later.

 

[Lightbringer]

Yeah. But I gotta do a thing in the City today.

Goddam trains are running late. So it is going to be a bad commute.

No problem. I'll take it out on you assholes later.

Cool. When you come back later we'll talk about your concern that this specific allegation wasn't investigated. There's a reason it wasn't investigated earlier.

 

[Ross Dolan]

Cool. When you come back later we'll talk about your concern that this specific allegation wasn't investigated. There's a reason it wasn't investigated earlier.

k.

BTW...didn't say it was not investigated.

It was not investigated THOROUGHLY.

No rush was necessary. The Republicans had no problem delaying a nomination for over a year just a short while ago.

 

[Lightbringer]

k.

BTW...didn't say it was not investigated.

It was not investigated THOROUGHLY.

No rush was necessary. The Republicans had no problem delaying a nomination for over a year just a short while ago.

True but the implication was there. The allegation wasn't made until well into the process so...

If Kavanaugh were anything at all like he's been accused of the previous investigations would have revealed that and he wouldn't have been nominated.

 

[Darth Omar]

THEN DO NOT "BELIEVE" EITHER WAY, ASSHOLE.

Investigate to the best degree possible.

That is what I have been saying at every juncture of this case

THAT WAS NOT DONE IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE.

But there’s no resolving it no matter how long it’s investigated, Frankie.

It’s a classic case of he said/she said. It’s the nature of the beast. In the broader picture, women who have been sexually assaulted need to step forward before years pass—or accept the distinct possibility their accusations won’t overcome the presumption of innocence.

Do you realize the Salem Witch Hunts occured because women weren’t presumed innocent of being witches. The unfortunate victims of it would have dearly loved to have been presumed innocent until material evidence was brought forth.

Ponder that irony as you look for your lost balls today, Frankie lol. And play short before the water hazards.

 

[TOP]

I'm sorry. Did I cause you to crawl out from under your rock too early this morning, TOP?

I guess I was yelling a bit.

I'll try to tone it down.

Crawl back under.

Have a good day, Frank

 

[Lightbringer]

But there’s no resolving it no matter how long it’s investigated, Frankie.

It’s a classic case of he said/she said. It’s the nature of the beast. In the broader picture, women who have been sexually assaulted need to step forward before years pass—or accept the distinct possibility their accusations won’t overcome the presumption of innocence.

Do you realize the Salem Witch Hunts occured because women weren’t presumed innocent of being witches. The unfortunate victims of it would have dearly loved to have been presumed innocent until material evidence was brought forth.

Ponder that irony as you look for your lost balls today, Frankie lol. And play short before the water hazards.

Frank is very aware of the fact that the only reason to have the FBI investigate Ford's allegations is to waste time. Don't let him fool you.

 

[Darth Omar]

Frank is very aware of the fact that the only reason to have the FBI investigate Ford's allegations is to waste time. Don't let him fool you.

Frankie doesn’t fool me lol.

It wastes time and it’s also a fishing tactic: anything exculpatory that turns up will get ignored [and thrown back into the lake] and anything incriminating gets cherry-picked and used against Kavanaugh.

Republicans need to vote and put a stop to it. Finally.