A point about Elizabeth Warren's Native American Ancestry

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Kacper said:
That she even bothered to have the test shows that Donald occupies space in her head.
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She's running for the Senate against someone whose key running point is that she's a "fake Indian." The opportunity to cut his knees out from under him, while simultaneously making Trump look like a total fraud when he wouldn't pay a charity the million bucks he promised, had to be pretty tempting, don't you think?

6 to 10 generations isn't much considering most tribes require between 1/4 and one great great grandparent or closer.
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If she were looking for membership in a tribe, that would be relevant. She isn't, so it isn't.
 
If there was an indian ancestor then her family lore was vindicated. I bet she is pleased that whatever interesting stories they share are likely based in fact.
I'd like to know if my family had the mutineers and scurvy scoundrels that has been related to me, arrrrr.
 
Oneuli said:
Elizabeth Warren has released a DNA test strongly suggesting she has Native American ancestry. This is a fun story because it puts Trump in a position where he'll want to lie and claim he never promised a million dollars to charity if she did so. Watching that weasel squirm is a joy. But the test itself shouldn't matter.

Think about it. What was the knock on Warren? It was that she made up Native American ancestry. Whether or not she actually has Native American ancestry is entirely beside the point. What was relevant is whether she had reason to think she had Native American ancestry when she claimed it. If she had good cause to think it (e.g., plausible family oral history) and it turned out not to be true, that's not her fault. And if she didn't have good cause to think it, but it randomly turned out to be true, that doesn't relieve her of the charge of fabrication.

For example, what if I told you I have 100% Korean ancestry, which I said on the basis of my mother and father both having told me they were of Korean ancestry. And what if I took a DNA test later and found out that I'm actually 100% of Chinese ancestry -- that my parents actually adopted me from China but didn't want me to know I was adopted. Would I have been lying when I told you of my Korean ancestry? Should I be attacked and ridiculed for having told you something I had good cause to think was true?

Or, on the flip side, imagine that, thinking I was 100% of Korean ancestry, I applied for a scholarship reserved only for those of Chinese ancestry, telling them falsely that my ancestors were Chinese. If later I found out from a DNA test that I was actually 100% of Chinese ancestry, due to that hypothetical adoption, would that change the fact I'd lied about my heritage for personal advantage?

The focus on a DNA test doesn't really make sense in the Warren story, and never did. The important question is whether her family did, in fact, have an oral tradition about Native American ancestry. Her DNA test adds a little to the plausibility of such a story having existed (since there was, in fact, a Native American ancestor, it seems more plausible that she was told a story about a Native American ancestor.) But a DNA test could never settle the question of whether such a story existed, one way or the other. The best you can do for that is to interview members of her extended family and see if such a story was, in fact, going around.
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https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/elizabeth-warren-roughly-1-64th-to-1-1024th-native-american/
 
AssHatZombie said:
Let's see who's anti-science.

Does the life of an individual human organism begin at conception?
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What do you count as conception? If it's fertilization of the egg, then whether that's the start of one or multiple human organisms isn't determined until later (i.e., it can still split into twins). And most of the time it will result in nothing more than a fertilized egg, since about half the time the fertilized egg never successfully implants and develops.
 
Oneuli said:
She's running for the Senate against someone whose key running point is that she's a "fake Indian." The opportunity to cut his knees out from under him, while simultaneously making Trump look like a total fraud when he wouldn't pay a charity the million bucks he promised, had to be pretty tempting, don't you think?



If she were looking for membership in a tribe, that would be relevant. She isn't, so it isn't.
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I have more than she does, my paternal Grandmother was half, I do not run around saying I am Native American, she is fraud!
 
Adolf_Twitler said:
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Any dumbass white supremacist who would demean the name of Pocahontas is clearly stupifyingly ignorant of the history of this continent. She was wrong about the euros; King Phillip was right about them. And she died in Britain in captivity, her reward for befriending the euros.
 
Wolverine said:
https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/elizabeth-warren-roughly-1-64th-to-1-1024th-native-american/
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Pretty funny how desperate the National Review is to spin this, don't you think? I mean, there was never any evidence Warren exploited her claimed Native American ancestry in her academic or career endeavors. Quite the contrary -- there's been plenty of investigation and it shows that her ancestry was never considered in those matters... it was simply something she listed in a directory. But this is Trump's latest birther endeavor, and so the right-wing media feels committed to salvaging it.
 
Wolverine said:
I have more than she does, my paternal Grandmother was half, I do not run around saying I am Native American, she is fraud!
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And more importantly you don't use it to get minority hiring status. I've got N.A. blood in my family too, even have a photo of her. But I never used it nor could I have as minority status.
 
Oneuli said:
What do you count as conception? If it's fertilization of the egg, then whether that's the start of one or multiple human organisms isn't determined until later (i.e., it can still split into twins). And most of the time it will result in nothing more than a fertilized egg, since about half the time the fertilized egg never successfully implants and develops.
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People die ex utero as well.
 
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