A point about Elizabeth Warren's Native American Ancestry

Jarod said:
So you just lie about her making claims?

Looks like it’s your side that is making claims you can’t support!
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i'm not even paying attention. Trump is completely in her head. Then she comes out at no better then 1/64 NA?
In her attempt to back her claims she's made herself looks ridiculous that she started this
 
Oneuli said:
She's running for the Senate against someone whose key running point is that she's a "fake Indian." The opportunity to cut his knees out from under him, while simultaneously making Trump look like a total fraud when he wouldn't pay a charity the million bucks he promised, had to be pretty tempting, don't you think?



If she were looking for membership in a tribe, that would be relevant. She isn't, so it isn't.
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Except she has made this claim in applying for law school, applying for teaching jobs, and even in a cookbook. She claimed to be Cherokee and the DNA test doesn't show that she is a descendant of the Dawes Roll folks.
 
noise said:
nobody cares. she looks like a fool. 1/64th blood?? WTF
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She proved Indian heritage. She claimed it and proved it.
Trump said he would pay a mill to a charity of her choice, Time to put up. Actually, you are the fool. DNA proof.
 
ziggy said:
President Trump should donate $976.56 to Warren's charity of choice. 1/1024th of $1 million.
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Nope. She proved an indian heritage. She never claimed to be 100 percent Indian. Trump is as much of a weasel as you are, so he will not pay a dime. You will still pretend she did not prove it. Neither of you can admit when you are proven wrong.
 
Oneuli said:
Elizabeth Warren has released a DNA test strongly suggesting she has Native American ancestry. This is a fun story because it puts Trump in a position where he'll want to lie and claim he never promised a million dollars to charity if she did so. Watching that weasel squirm is a joy. But the test itself shouldn't matter.

Think about it. What was the knock on Warren? It was that she made up Native American ancestry. Whether or not she actually has Native American ancestry is entirely beside the point. What was relevant is whether she had reason to think she had Native American ancestry when she claimed it. If she had good cause to think it (e.g., plausible family oral history) and it turned out not to be true, that's not her fault. And if she didn't have good cause to think it, but it randomly turned out to be true, that doesn't relieve her of the charge of fabrication.

For example, what if I told you I have 100% Korean ancestry, which I said on the basis of my mother and father both having told me they were of Korean ancestry. And what if I took a DNA test later and found out that I'm actually 100% of Chinese ancestry -- that my parents actually adopted me from China but didn't want me to know I was adopted. Would I have been lying when I told you of my Korean ancestry? Should I be attacked and ridiculed for having told you something I had good cause to think was true?

Or, on the flip side, imagine that, thinking I was 100% of Korean ancestry, I applied for a scholarship reserved only for those of Chinese ancestry, telling them falsely that my ancestors were Chinese. If later I found out from a DNA test that I was actually 100% of Chinese ancestry, due to that hypothetical adoption, would that change the fact I'd lied about my heritage for personal advantage?

The focus on a DNA test doesn't really make sense in the Warren story, and never did. The important question is whether her family did, in fact, have an oral tradition about Native American ancestry. Her DNA test adds a little to the plausibility of such a story having existed (since there was, in fact, a Native American ancestor, it seems more plausible that she was told a story about a Native American ancestor.) But a DNA test could never settle the question of whether such a story existed, one way or the other. The best you can do for that is to interview members of her extended family and see if such a story was, in fact, going around.
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Interesting post. You got caught up in the trump trap. Trying to intelligently discuss an issue that was nothing more than another of his idiotic claims at one of his Klan rallies.

In fact, Warren did indeed reference family oral history as the basis for her claim. And I agree...this means nothing, save for the fact that trump will once again renege on a promise of donating to a charity other than his own bank account.

Nobody will 'squirm', though. Sanders/trump will just lie, even if there's video evidence to the claim.
 
Kacper said:
That she even bothered to have the test shows that Donald occupies space in her head. It isn't a good sign. 6 to 10 generations isn't much considering most tribes require between 1/4 and one great great grandparent or closer. She is at least one generation short and possible 4 generations short.
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Not the point. See above.
 
Cypress said:
Trust me, I get why Republicans would "suddenly" say no one cares.

I am also fully cognizant that when wingnuts get busted red handed for slander and libel, they will just double down on it rather than express the slightest contrition.
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This is political gold. She trumped trump. This issue of the million dollars will be exactly what the next election run will be about. By then, we'll all know that trump never donated his own money to a charity in his life. This will be another in a long line of lies and fabrications that will be rubbed in his face in every debate.


How can we forget "NO PUPPET! YOU'RE THE PUPPET!" ?
 
Althea said:
This is political gold. She trumped trump. This issue of the million dollars will be exactly what the next election run will be about. By then, we'll all know that trump never donated his own money to a charity in his life. This will be another in a long line of lies and fabrications that will be rubbed in his face in every debate.


How can we forget "NO PUPPET! YOU'RE THE PUPPET!" ?
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How hard would it be for a normal person to just laugh, and say "You know what Elizabeth, I would be happy to donate to the charity of your choice."

That is what a person of character and class would do.

I can scarcely believe that a grown man would turn this into some kind contest for domination, not to mention welch on a bet. I mean, I know teenagers that are not as petulant and childish as Trump
 
Althea said:
This is political gold. She trumped trump. This issue of the million dollars will be exactly what the next election run will be about. By then, we'll all know that trump never donated his own money to a charity in his life. This will be another in a long line of lies and fabrications that will be rubbed in his face in every debate.


How can we forget "NO PUPPET! YOU'RE THE PUPPET!" ?
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Yes. Focus on Pelosi's DNA as your core message. Great idea. Electoral gold.
 
Fentoine Lum said:
Any dumbass white supremacist who would demean the name of Pocahontas is clearly stupifyingly ignorant of the history of this continent. She was wrong about the euros; King Phillip was right about them. And she died in Britain in captivity, her reward for befriending the euros.
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The Royalty loved her, but the commoners were jealous of her and hated her. The English commoners were the original White Nationalists- what can I say? LOL!

Many believe she was poisoned by the commoners, and died at only 21 years of age. But, no she was free as a bird when she died!
 
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