What's causing rising debt?

Trayvon was stalked by a man with a gun at his fathers home because he was black


the man who stalked him with a gun had a violent record

Trayvon did not have a violent record


why is it you feel black children have no right to defend themselves when attacked?
 
Oneuli said:
You are so used to doing it from the conservative perspective that you assume it must be the same in the other direction, but it really is different. For example, imagine that you and I each had a task: to argue that presidents of our own preferred party tend to be better for job creation than presidents of the other party. My task would be very simple. I'd just need to go to the BLS site, download the job creation numbers by month, and show that the average monthly percentage growth of payrolls during Democratic presidencies was quite a bit higher than during Republican presidencies. There'd be no need to cherry-pick. I could look at the last 30 years, the last 50 years, or the entire data set going back to the first recorded numbers and it would show the same. It would be a very easy argument. You, on the other hand, would need to work to craft special pleading -- arguing, for example, that we shouldn't count certain great Democratic years because war time was artificially enhancing job creation, and that we shouldn't count certain horrible Republican years because demobilization following a war was weighing down job creation.

It's that way for a long list of potential arguments. We could also offer up arguments for whether Democrats or Republicans are better for GDP growth, stock markets, reducing poverty, reducing violent crime, reducing deficits, enhancing incomes, reducing teen pregnancy, and so on. In each case, I'd have an easy job: just find the data, do the math, and present the results. Time and again, the superiority of the Democrat-led eras would be self-evident. In each case your job would be difficult, because you'd need to craft plausible-sounding arguments for why we need to put asterisks next to the data.
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Sure we can list job growth under each President, we can list GDP growth under each President, we can list amount of debt that grew under each President. We can also argue what role Congress played in those numbers because President's aren't kings. And many people forget the Fed because the Fed plays a huge role by setting monetary policy.

We can both spin and weave stories to fit our narrative and make our "side" look better.

For example here's a Bloomberg opinion article on GDP growth under each President. Look at this paragraph and the "spin" for Eisenhower:


""Eisenhower, meanwhile, had to endure three recessions that were at least partly the doing of Fed Chairman William McChesney Martin Jr., who famously said in 1955 that his job involved taking the punch bowl away “just when the party was really warming up.” Eisenhower’s time in office was also characterized, though, by fast-rising median incomes, a fast-shrinking federal debt (as a share of GDP), and a gigantic increase in infrastructure spending, mainly but not exclusively for interstate highways, that paid economic dividends for decades. So maybe his two terms weren’t really an economic bust, whatever the GDP numbers say. Again, GDP growth is a flawed measure.""


https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2018-08-01/ranking-presidents-economic-records-by-gdp-growth
 
evince said:
Trayvon was stalked by a man with a gun at his fathers home because he was black
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You have it ass backwards you dumb twat; it was Trayvon stalking an armed Hispanic guy. BIG mistake.

evince said:
the man who stalked him with a gun had a violent record
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Again, he wasn't "stalking" anyone. Again, he was acquitted by a jury of women and men and found to not be guilty of anything but defending his life.

evince said:
Trayvon did not have a violent record
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We don't know that; but suffice it to say he had violent tendencies which is why he assumed room temperature.

evince said:
why is it you feel black children have no right to defend themselves when attacked?
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Why is it you engage in false strawmen and lying like a fucking dumb twat?
 
evince said:
If you say Trayvon was killed for good reasons you are a fucking racist

PERIOD
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It is never "good" when someone is killed. There is nothing racist about the FACTS you ignorant race hustling twat. But, Trayvon did assume room temperature thanks to his stalking an armed Hispanic man and trying to beat him.
 
The budget deficit is caused by three things
1) two thirds are do to mandates out of Trumps control.
2) military budget
3) tax cuts
 
Oneuli said:
I'm not clear on how you think that impacts what I said. Payroll taxes have been used to finance general spending. General taxes can, similarly, be used to finance Social Security and Medicare, if we wish. We could easily have tax rates high enough to do that and still have below-normal effective taxation by the standards of wealthy nations generally. But the Republicans would rather impoverish the elderly and leave them medically undertreated, in order to make it possible to preserve ultra-low tax rates and sky-high military spending.
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Because of this statement: "Mitch McConnell insists that cuts to those things are needed, because they're what's causing the problem."

Obviously, cutting Social Security or Medicare (A) would not reduce the deficit (although it would reduce the debt).

Your partisanship is distorting your judgment with statements suggesting Republicans want to "impoverish" the elderly. Social Security has to be reformed in some way to continue to pay benefits at current levels. There are many ways it could be cut that would not impoverish anybody---suggesting necessary cuts or tax increases means Republicans are trying to impoverish anybody is just scare tactics.

One of the few times government has done something to solve future problems is the 1980s payroll tax increase that provided Social Security the $2.5 trillion surplus that is financing the current revenue shortfall.
 
katzgar said:
SS and medicare have nothing to do with the national debt.
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Truth Detector said:
It is never "good" when someone is killed. There is nothing racist about the FACTS you ignorant race hustling twat. But, Trayvon did assume room temperature thanks to his stalking an armed Hispanic man and trying to beat him.
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Lying about Trayvons death is what a racist would do


no one claims Trayvon was following his killer

the entire police record says the asshole was following a child at night with a gun and had a violent record

then killed that child for trying to protect himself
 
Truth Detector said:
Yet, it is built on a ponzi scheme whereby the Government borrows money from SS, hands suckers like us the IOU and uses it to fund more government spending and making you and I pay the interest on that IOU. It is really clever and if you or I tried to create a similar scheme, we would be arrested.
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That is somewhat misleading. The original Social Security law requires any surplus in the trust fund be placed in government treasuries at 2% interest. If those funds (provided by the 1980s payroll tax increase) had not been available government would still have borrowed that money from the market; so, you would be paying interest on those funds either way--in SS treasuries or bonds sold to the public. It makes more sense to use the SS treasuries since it puts less press on interest rates.

The problem is the government spends and borrows too much money, not that it used the SS treasuries.
 
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