‘There is NO GOD’ Stephen Hawking’s final revelation of the afterlife REVEALED

Guille said:
You showed no such thing. I don't subscribe to the theory that there must be life out there. Prove it. And if you're talking about Earth being a God joint don't tell me to look light years away from Earth.
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Wake the fuck up.

You claimed you cannot prove a negative.

I said you can...and I gave you a way to show it to yourself.

You are all flustered because I showed that you are full of shit.

Here is my position on the question of whether there are gods or not:

I do not know if gods exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that the existence of gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST...that gods are needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

...so I don't.

Lay out your position as clearly...or shut the fuck up.
 
Frank Apisa said:
There is no unambiguous evidence for the existence of a god, Grugore.

If there is a god...and if the god is a creator god...

...EVERYTHING IS EVIDENCE OF THE GOD.

But none of it may be evidence of a god at all.
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These lunatics claim god in the name of the natural world like the US claims it owns the moon cuz they stuck a flag in it..
Nothing is evidence of god. Anyone can claim everything natural is evidence of god. That's just boneheaded circular reasoning, assuming the
predicate to prove it. Oooh it's all so complex, or not complex, or ordered, or chaotic. It's evidence of God, or of nothing....

There is NO stand alone evidence of god at all. There is no evidence of god by combining things together, or disassembling anything.
There is nothing "ambiguous" about it. Eyeroll. It's fantasy island, if you want to believe in that, feel free, but it gets zero support from
anything natural, measurable, replicable etc... We separate school science class from my favorite martian and Mr Ed for a reason.
Fiction is fiction.




idiotic.
 
Frank Apisa said:
As I said...Your claim that you cannot prove a negative is false. Grow the spine and ethics to simply acknowledge it.
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Not at all wrong in the conventional sense of that expression. It stands for the proposition that just because I throw 999999999 golfballs against the wall,
it does not prove the next won't go through, or that I can't prove there isn't a giant turtle inside a black hole, or that just because I can't find anyone to testify
mary was at the party, that she did not sneak in unseen at some point and leave unnoticed. There are things that expression applies to and is useful for,
and one of them is the intellectual burden of disproving the existence of a magical invisible all knowing all seeing universe creating god.

Don't pretend you don't know this. It's very dishonest of you.
 
and another thing lol

How can I be expected to disprove god when all you religious people can't even agree on the rules governing candyland?
Tell me exactly what are the rules, how I can access the magical data, then I'll tell you whether I can defeat the existence of
Baltic Avenue pass go and collect $200.. Science has rules, you guys just make up a bunch of horse hockey and believe
Jebus turns people into salt blocks and two of every animal fits on a boat one dude made.
 
Frank Apisa said:
Wake the fuck up.

You claimed you cannot prove a negative.

I said you can...and I gave you a way to show it to yourself.

You are all flustered because I showed that you are full of shit.

Here is my position on the question of whether there are gods or not:

I do not know if gods exist or not;
I see no reason to suspect gods CANNOT EXIST...that the existence of gods is impossible;
I see no reason to suspect that gods MUST EXIST...that gods are needed to explain existence;
I do not see enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a meaningful guess in either direction...

...so I don't.

Lay out your position as clearly...or shut the fuck up.
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Easy, I've done it though.

I do not know with metaphysical certitude if god exists or not.
I see plenty of reasons to suspect that gods do not exist given that in 55 years of living I've never seen a single
thing that supports god's existence.
I have never seen a single thing that supports the existence of some other reality wherein such a creature could exist.
Nothing in this reality evidences any god.
No god has ever spoken to me.
No god has ever appeared before me.
I have never been touched by a deity.
I have never heard a deity.
I have touched, heard smelled and seem billions of things.
Given that I have seen much evidence, none contains god, all has no god, I clonclude
it is more likely there is no god.


In addition, bad things happen to good people, kids die of leukemia, we suffer endless wars, nothing in any the dumb bible ever really happened,
and all the events in it are impossible by natural explanation.

It's a bunch of horseshit and only a moron would believe any of it.
 
Grugore said:
How do you explain the universe without a Creator? It didn't create itself. Nothing physical can create itself. It's a scientific fact. It violates the law of causality. So. Tell us how we can have a universe without a Creator.
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And who created the creator. Then who created that creator. It is like barbershop mirrors, the god reflections go on forever. First cause is a terrible argument because you can always go back one more.
Eventually you realize that the universe exists. God is just an attempt to understand what is not understandable. So man created gods to explain. That just adds complexity and myth to the problem. Try this for scale.
 
Micawber said:
These lunatics claim god in the name of the natural world like the US claims it owns the moon cuz they stuck a flag in it..
Nothing is evidence of god. Anyone can claim everything natural is evidence of god. That's just boneheaded circular reasoning, assuming the
predicate to prove it. Oooh it's all so complex, or not complex, or ordered, or chaotic. It's evidence of God, or of nothing....
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Most of the so-called proofs of the existence of gods...are pure bullshit. The rest are just...well...bull shit.

BUT...IF THERE IS A GOD...AND IF THE GOD IS A CREATOR GOD...then EVERYTHING...is evidence of the god.

So what?

There is no way to show that there is a GOD...and there is no way to show that everything or anything is evidence of gods.

The assertion "There is a GOD" IS NOTHING BUT A BLIND GUESS. It is an assertion that ought not even to be made.

The same thing, though, is true of the assertion "There are no gods." It is a meaningless assertion...at best, a blind guess. It also is an assertion that ought not even to be made.

There is NO stand alone evidence of god at all. There is no evidence of god by combining things together, or disassembling anything.
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I agree. NONE WHATSOEVER. NIL. ZIP. ZERO.

The assertion "There is a GOD" is a joke...nothing but a blind guess gone amok.



There is nothing "ambiguous" about it. Eyeroll. It's fantasy island, if you want to believe in that, feel free, but it gets zero support from anything natural, measurable, replicable etc... We separate school science class from my favorite martian and Mr Ed for a reason.
Fiction is fiction.
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We fucking agree. There is no evidence whatsoever that there are any gods.

The assertion "There is a GOD" makes no sense whatsoever. It is, at very best, a blind guess. At worst, a willful calumny used to enslave people.

So...with that out of the way...

...the assertion "There are no gods"...is at best, a blind guess gone amok.

There is absolutely no proof whatsoever that no gods exist in the REALITY of existence. \

NONE, ZERO, ZIP, NIL.

Neither of those assertions ought ever to be made.


idiotic.
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It is, indeed, idiotic for either of those assertions to be made.
 
Micawber said:
Not at all wrong in the conventional sense of that expression. It stands for the proposition that just because I throw 999999999 golfballs against the wall,
it does not prove the next won't go through, or that I can't prove there isn't a giant turtle inside a black hole, or that just because I can't find anyone to testify
mary was at the party, that she did not sneak in unseen at some point and leave unnoticed. There are things that expression applies to and is useful for,
and one of them is the intellectual burden of disproving the existence of a magical invisible all knowing all seeing universe creating god.

Don't pretend you don't know this. It's very dishonest of you.
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I am not fucking dishonest you miserable fucking asshole.

The notion that one cannot prove a negative...is absurd.

Probably 99% of all the negative propositions proposed CAN EASILY be proved.

The ones that cannot involve universal size.

One can never prove, for instance, that unicorns do not exist...because it is a universal proposition.

If, however, the negative is...no unicorns now exist on planet Earth...it becomes easier to prove. (Not totally, but easier.)

If you close it up a bit more to the negative "no unicorns exist in any zoo or national preserve anywhere on planet Earth"...THAT NEGATIVE CAN EASILY BE PROVED.

So stop with your bullshit of "you are wrong Frank, because I do not want you to be right."
 
Micawber said:
and another thing lol

How can I be expected to disprove god when all you religious people can't even agree on the rules governing candyland?
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I am not asking you to disprove "god"...you are barely intelligent enough to write a coherent paragraph of English.

I am NOT a religious person at all...in any way.

Okay, Jerk-off?

Tell me exactly what are the rules, how I can access the magical data, then I'll tell you whether I can defeat the existence of Baltic Avenue pass go and collect $200.
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If I were going to ask someone for his/her best shot at calling the question of gods into question...I most assuredly would not choose you. You are not even showing the ability to make coherent, logical arguments about anything. Get off your fucking high horse.


Science has rules, you guys just make up a bunch of horse hockey and believe
Jebus turns people into salt blocks and two of every animal fits on a boat one dude made.
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Science may have rules...but one ought to be that amateurs like you ought not be able to pretend to be using science when you cannot even produce a coherent, logical argument about anything.

Hey...other than that...

...I hope all is well with you.

I liked that "golf ball" shtick.

I honestly enjoy talking with you...even though you are a dummy.
 
Micawber said:
Easy, I've done it though.

I do not know with metaphysical certitude if god exists or not.
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I'm sure you meant to say "gods" there...and will substitute the plural whenever you use the singular in this position paper.

We agree that we do not know if gods exist.

That "metaphysical certitude" is gratuitous...and has no place.

We, YOU AND I, DO NOT KNOW IF GODS EXIST.


I see plenty of reasons to suspect that gods do not exist given that in 55 years of living I've never seen a single thing that supports god's existence.
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I'll give you that one...although I object to the use of the singular. You seem so far to be heading toward a particular god rather than gods. If it is the god I think it is...we will be in agreement that that particular god is scumbag.

I have never seen a single thing that supports the existence of some other reality wherein such a creature could exist.
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Then you have not opened your eyes.

I have. Most scientists have.

Nothing in this reality evidences any god.
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EVERYTHING may "evidence" a god or gods.

We do not know.

No god has ever spoken to me.
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No sentient being from any planet circling the nearest 15 stars to Sol has ever spoken to you that you know.

So what?


No god has ever appeared before me.
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No sentient being from any planet circling the nearest 15 stars to Sol has ever appeared before you that you know.

So what?


I have never been touched by a deity.
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You have never been touched by a sentient being from any planet circling the nearest 15 stars to Sol that you know of.

So what?


I have never heard a deity.
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You have never heard a sentient being from from any planet circling the nearest 15 stars to Sol that you know of.

So what?


I have touched, heard smelled and seem billions of things.
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Not sure about the "billions"...but I have touched, heard, smelled, and seen lots and lots of things.

So what?



Given that I have seen much evidence, none contains god, all has no god, I clonclude
it is more likely there is no god.
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Given that you have seen lots of evidence and none contains a sentient being other than humans from this planet...do you also conclude there are no sentient beings on any of the planets circling the nearest 15 stars to Sol?

That makes no sense. The best that you can conclude is that we do not know if any sentient beings exist on one of the planets circling the nearest 15 stars to Sol.

There is no logic in what you are saying here.


In addition, bad things happen to good people, kids die of leukemia, we suffer endless wars, nothing in any the dumb bible ever really happened, and all the events in it are impossible by natural explanation.
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The god of the Bible is a piece of shit...a fucking jealous, vindictive, angry, possessive, demanding, childish piece of shit. I'll give you that.

So what does that have to do with whether gods exist in REALITY or not?

It's a bunch of horseshit and only a moron would believe any of it.
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In my opinion...anyone doing any "believing" is acting moronic...so we are in agreement here.

But nothing you have said has come close to making the assertion "there are no gods"...

...anything but a blind guess.
 
sear said:
- As new-borns we rely on the suckling breast. Mother tends to our every need.
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Western feminazis abandoned kids this last century, remember?


- As we mature, both mother and father play their parental roles, teaching manners, etiquette, survival, etc.
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Translation: The part-time mother teaches brats, who never listen, how to squeeze alimony from the despised males she used as sperm donors.


But it may all trace back to our mammalian roots. For of what use are lactating mammaries without the compelling instinct to suckle?
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A baby bawls as its “mother” forces her gigolo out of bed to feed the infant cold milk formula. The “womyn” doesn’t want chewed nipples. She’ll be on set in forty minutes and wants them to be the perfect flat pink disks they were in her teen years. Like her co-host, she wants to still have virgin nipples at sixty, when she intends campaigning for children’s’ rights, as a Democrat.
 
Rob Larrikin said:
Western feminazis abandoned kids this last century, remember?



Translation: The part-time mother teaches brats, who never listen, how to squeeze alimony from the despised males she used as sperm donors.



A baby bawls as its “mother” forces her gigolo out of bed to feed the infant cold milk formula. The “womyn” doesn’t want chewed nipples. She’ll be on set in forty minutes and wants them to be the perfect flat pink disks they were in her teen years. Like her co-host, she wants to still have virgin nipples at sixty, when she intends campaigning for children’s’ rights, as a Democrat.
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Wow!

Rob...you actually are fucking nuts.

People use the expression "you are nuts" often in Internet forums...mostly meant as an insult.

But in your case..you actually are nuts.

Throttle it back a bit. Calm down.
 
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