Drugs are the second highest cause for criminal behavior. Dysfunctional families is the main cause; drugs could be part of that equation as well.
You cannot deal with high crime and recidivism rates by ignoring the impact of drugs in that equation.
Senate Passes Bipartisan Criminal Justice Bill "First Step Act"
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Drugs are the second highest cause for criminal behavior. Dysfunctional families is the main cause; drugs could be part of that equation as well.
You cannot deal with high crime and recidivism rates by ignoring the impact of drugs in that equation.
That's another lie you brain dead partisan hack. STFU, seriously.
What a massive pile of moronic bile; but then, you love wallowing in bile don't you snowflake?
cawacko
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White judges, just like all other judges, usually have their hands tied by mandatory minimums. This bill actually allows judges to give lessor sentences in certain cases which is a good thing.
Voting is the last of the issues needed and that's a state issue not a federal issue
Adolf_Twitler
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Awe, the ole separation of states and Union huh?
Voting is a Constitutional right- not a states right!
1, 2, 3 go!
cawacko
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This bill has nothing to do with voting so I guess it doesn't matter much then to a well to do white guy. No benefit for you then right?
Adolf_Twitler
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Not quite sure why you want to argue with me. Not sure what you are trying to imply!
I voiced my opinion, that states should not be deciding who gets to vote in Federal elections, when voting is one of the rights guaranteed by our Constitution.
You may agree- or disagree!
How are lessor sentences a good thing? Do you actually believe that all criminal cases are first time offenses? Or is it actually, them just now getting caught?
These arguments are as specious as those against three strike laws. The claim is that these are minor crimes calling for huge penalties.
floridafan
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So you want to punish any one who gets arrested for a crime because you know that have done it before, but just didn't get caught? What a piece of bull shit
cawacko
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I'm not a fan of a lot of the mandatory minimums. Not every criminal case is the same.
You asked for research on reform, here is a study from the Rand Corp on incarceration and its effectiveness.
https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR564.html
Voting is a privilege. Much like driving is a privilege and not a right. How is it you are so ignorant? Were you born stupid?
Where is voting a right guaranteed by the Constitution. Can you link us up?
No one has ever claimed they are. But mandatory minimums tend to keep predators off our streets and protect the law abiding.
This is the flaw in that claim:
Inmates who participate in correctional education programs had a 43 percent lower chance of recidivating than those who did not — a reduction in the risk of recidivating of 13 percentage points.
So how do we know how many participated from the prison population and how many chose not to?
This statement indicated that they are admitting there is not enough research to prove the claims:
Research needs to get inside the "black box" of what does and does not work in correctional education programs to help policymakers make programmatic tradeoffs in a resource-constrained environment.
NOW, let me be clear; I am not arguing against these resources. My argument is that, for the most part, they are meaningless unless we deal with the true causes of criminality. Those were listed above.
cawacko
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This is the flaw in that claim:
Inmates who participate in correctional education programs had a 43 percent lower chance of recidivating than those who did not — a reduction in the risk of recidivating of 13 percentage points.
So how do we know how many participated from the prison population and how many chose not to?
This statement indicated that they are admitting there is not enough research to prove the claims:
Research needs to get inside the "black box" of what does and does not work in correctional education programs to help policymakers make programmatic tradeoffs in a resource-constrained environment.[/QUOTE]
You are free to disagree we need sentencing reform. I think the fact that red states such as Texas and others have done their own reforms show the need is there from a cost and a human perspective.
This legislation is happening on a national level and is really more tweaking things than making huge changes (plus most prisoners are in state and local prisons, not federal) but the fact that so many Republicans are supporting it and Trump is signing it shows they understand the data and what the research shows.
montgomery
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You haven't the slightest idea of what you're talkin about and you're not interested in fixing anything anyway. If you want to learn something then start from scratch with this primer: https://www.businessinsider.com/why-norways-prison-system-is-so-successful-2014-12
But of course you won't and therefore you will continue to suffer all the madness and inefficiencies of the US system. It's your tax dollars asshole!
Let me know how it's workin out for you so far!
Adolf_Twitler
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The right to vote comes up in 5 different areas of the Constitution and it's amendments.
But for this argument let's just use the one reference from the 15th Amendment!
Of course I can disagree. In fact, WE can disagree. I am just questioning the attempt to fix something at the wrong level and thinking it won't lead to bigger problems.
FACT; if we do not look at what is causing dysfunction in our societies family structure, drugs, alcohol abuse, out of wedlock births and single parent households, AND, we ignore the devastation drug use is having right now, all the efforts at the incarceration level will be a massive waste of time. Also, if we just keep releasing these pathological predators onto our streets, citizens will continue to be harmed.
I am always amazed how the Progressive left is more concerned with illegal aliens and criminals than they are with the safety of law abiding, hard working Americans.
STFU you ignorant brain dead leftist hack. The only thing you do is troll the forum with your laughably stupid eruptions and moronic claims.
LINK them snowflake. Let's see if they are truly the RIGHT to vote.
The 15th doesn't give anyone a right. based on that citizen's "race, color, or previous condition of servitude". It's about discrimination. Dunce.