Trump pulls out of Syria
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Nomad
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So you see some propaganda video and you think you know something???
I bet you've seen news reports too, right?
And from the very same news sources you call "fake news" when you're shilling for Trump, but they're totally accurate and believable when it supports your claim that Trump isn't being controlled by Russia.
Nice fake Russian propaganda video.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
So you see some propaganda video and you think you know something???
I bet you've seen news reports too, right?
And from the very same news sources you call "fake news" when you're shilling for Trump, but they're totally accurate and believable when it supports your claim that Trump isn't being controlled by Russia.
A few minutes ago I read where Vlad was pissy over Trump’s intention to pull out of the INF treaty. Pissy, because that could force Russia into an arms race. And Vlad REALLY doesn’t want an arms race. Vlad knows how the last one turned out.
Is the bromance on-again off-again or have you been duped lol?
you don't understand Syria, so I gave you pictures. Russia's main bombing is NOT ISIS -So you see some propaganda video and you think you know something???
I bet you've seen news reports too, right?
And from the very same news sources you call "fake news" when you're shilling for Trump, but they're totally accurate and believable when it supports your claim that Trump isn't being controlled by Russia.
Nice fake Russian propaganda video.
it's "da rebels" around Homs/Aleppo etc. Their main concern is supporting assad,and the conflicts
between Syrian Defense forces and various rebels gets most of their attention..
But they do also go up against ISIS. ISIS is more in the east, but ISIS is the enemy of everyone there.
the regime / "coalition" / Iran and Hezbollah as well as various rebel groups.
Russia pounds ISIS .
This pretty much lets Russia pound anyone they want, they will pretty much be calling the shots in Syria
Here we have Trump without notice bailing on the French, British, and the Kurds, love to see what kind of coalition he would be able to put together if necessary down the road
Syria is a Russian client state -they call their own shots if we are there or not. Our presence is sooo small and the majority of the work done there is no reason to stay
Nomad
Verified User
You have no idea WHO they're bombing, numb nuts.
You see some propaganda video produced by the Kremlin and read some fake news reports based on false information and you suck it up like a Hoover.
Even if Russia did bomb some ISIS targets, that doesn't mean they aren't in cahoots with the top level string pullers. Those people are masters of diversionary tactics designed to hide what they're really up to.
Would ISIS leadership be willing to sacrifice some of their own units for propaganda purposes?
You can bet they would.
Bottom line: you don't know shit.
Nomad
Verified User
You should go apply to replace Mattis in February.
Just "wow" them with your your keen grasp of ME affairs....
Darth Omar
Russian asset
How would ISIS gaining a foot hold in Syria help Putin in the slightest?
ISIS is at war against ALL infidels and Russian soldiers are just another kind of infidel. There is zero American interest in getting mixed up in it.
Nomad
Verified User
Simple.
ISIS doesn't really give a shit about infidels or even Islam. That's all just a cover for their massive quest to rule the ME.
So Russia and ISIS form a mutual truce. Russia dumps cash in ISIS's coffers to fund terrorist activity against the US and our Western European allies.
Not that difficult to figure out.
Darth Omar
Russian asset
ISIS wants to rule the Middle East because it’s a religious imperative for them. You know, the caliphate and all that.
Such an outcome wouldn’t serve Russian interests in the slightest. If Putin is stupid enough to make a deal with that devil—let him. And we’ll sit back and watch how it turns out.
Nomad
Verified User
So you believe what ISIS and the Russians tell you but you call everything you see and hear in the news "fake news".
Got it.
nothing "keen" here this is basic stuff. the analysis is mine howeverYou should go apply to replace Mattis in February.
Just "wow" them with your your keen grasp of ME affairs....
IF you pay attention there are LOTS of sources - even TV - that shows the Russians targets.
They would never ally with ISIS -Russia has it's own problems with Salafi terrorism
religious imperative..exactly
Nomad
Verified User
So then it's just like I said.... suddenly what you see on TV is no longer "fake news" when it suits your purpose.
Hypocrite much?
And btw, how do you know from video footage of missiles exploding in the desert, exactly who or what, if anything, was being blown up by them???
Or are you just taking somebody's (fake news) word for it??
Did Putin tell you that personally? Did you sit in on high level meetings in The Kremlin?
No?
So you really don't know that at all, do you?
That could be all for public consumption.
For that matter, Russia and the FSB may well have been behind ISIS since their inception.
the moon landing was fake news < (fake news)
Russia's North Caucasus has a long time ongoing Islamist insurgency < ( not fake news)
ELECTION 2016
6 Keys to Understanding ISIS' Barbarism, Apocalyptic Vision and Desire for an End-Times Battle in Syria
The presidential candidates don't know what they are dealing with.
By Steven Rosenfeld / AlterNet November 16, 2015, 2:20 PM GMT
The latest terrorist attacks by ISIS have changed the 2016 presidential race, sparking a range of predictable reactions across the partisan spectrum, from "Fortress America” stances from Republicans to Democrats pushing to create a new international coalition and combined military response.
But most Americans, especially those running for president, do not really understand what ISIS is about: what they believe and seek, why they are so bloody, how they lure recruits from abroad, and why they are now striking in Paris and Beirut. Last winter, the Atlantic’s Graeme Wood spent weeks with ISIS defenders, sympathetic clerics and academics overseas before writing a revelatory profile, “What ISIS Really Wants.”
After it was published, Wood asked his sources if he got it mostly right. “In general, they saw the portrayal of ISIS in the Atlantic as one they could recognize,” he said in an interview. “They saw it as something that legitimately attempted to portray them in terms they could see and say, ‘Yeah, that’s more or less us.’”
ADVERTISING
“The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths,” the article’s teaser begins. “It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse.”
What follows are six key takeaways from Wood’s reporting, updated from a previous AlterNet report.
1. ISIS is Islamic. Very. There are many experts in the West and the Middle East, from academics to other conservative Islamics, who, like President Obama, have said ISIS is not Islamic or is a twisted distortion of the Muslim faith. That’s wrong. ISIS “follows a distinctive form of Islam whose beliefs about the path to the Day of Judgment matter to its strategy,” Wood writes, explaining that they are not like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, or even Al Queda under bin Laden, but akin to “the realization of a dystopian alternate reality in which David Koresh or Jim Jones survived to wield absolute power over not just a few hundred people, but some 8 million.”
ISIS lives by the most literal translation of the Koran imaginable, as revealed by Mohammed in the seventh century. A Christian analog would be living under the strict edicts in the Book of Leviticus.
“Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and announcements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationary, and coins, ‘the Prophetic methodology,’ which means following the prophecy and example of Mohammed, in punctilious detail,” Wood writes. “But pretending that it isn’t actually a religion, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combated, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it.”
2. ISIS is the most extreme of extremist sects. Just as there are many flavors of American evangelical extremism, ISIS is on the furthest end of the conservative orthodoxy, in terms of its beliefs, literal interpretation of seventh-century law and punishment, and what’s required of true believers for jihad. Wood said ISIS’ beliefs stem from “a branch of Sunnism called Salafism, after the Arabic al salaf al salih, the ‘pious forefathers.’ These forefathers are the Prophet himself and his earliest adherents, whom Salifis honor and emulate as the models for all behavior including warfare, couture, family life, even dentristy.”
Before ISIS’ emergence, the Sunnis who were best-known conservative followers of the Koran were Saudi Arabians. According to ISIS, the Saudis and 200 million Shiite Muslins—a denomination that developed later—have sinfully departed from seventh-century law. The examples range from having governments that send diplomats to non-Islamic bodies like the United Nations, to Shiites who worship at the graves of revered imams. The departures—like cursing one’s parents under Leviticus—are punishable by death. “Being lax about calling other people apostates” for voting in elections or being Shiites, like most of Iraq, is a capital offense. “So too are the heads of state of every Muslim nation, who have elevated manmade laws above Sharia by running for office or enforcing laws not made by God,” Wood writes.
3. To ISIS, required punishment; to others, war crimes. Anyone who followed the news last winter saw ISIS’ horrific videos of beheadings, the burning alive of a captured Jordanian pilot, and the reports of mass executions of men and enslavement of women and children, as well as forcing women to be sex slaves, such as the Yazidis in northwestern Iraq.
continued.
https://www.alternet.org/election-2...pocalyptic-vision-and-desire-end-times-battle
6 Keys to Understanding ISIS' Barbarism, Apocalyptic Vision and Desire for an End-Times Battle in Syria
The presidential candidates don't know what they are dealing with.
By Steven Rosenfeld / AlterNet November 16, 2015, 2:20 PM GMT
The latest terrorist attacks by ISIS have changed the 2016 presidential race, sparking a range of predictable reactions across the partisan spectrum, from "Fortress America” stances from Republicans to Democrats pushing to create a new international coalition and combined military response.
But most Americans, especially those running for president, do not really understand what ISIS is about: what they believe and seek, why they are so bloody, how they lure recruits from abroad, and why they are now striking in Paris and Beirut. Last winter, the Atlantic’s Graeme Wood spent weeks with ISIS defenders, sympathetic clerics and academics overseas before writing a revelatory profile, “What ISIS Really Wants.”
After it was published, Wood asked his sources if he got it mostly right. “In general, they saw the portrayal of ISIS in the Atlantic as one they could recognize,” he said in an interview. “They saw it as something that legitimately attempted to portray them in terms they could see and say, ‘Yeah, that’s more or less us.’”
ADVERTISING
“The Islamic State is no mere collection of psychopaths,” the article’s teaser begins. “It is a religious group with carefully considered beliefs, among them that it is a key agent of the coming apocalypse.”
What follows are six key takeaways from Wood’s reporting, updated from a previous AlterNet report.
1. ISIS is Islamic. Very. There are many experts in the West and the Middle East, from academics to other conservative Islamics, who, like President Obama, have said ISIS is not Islamic or is a twisted distortion of the Muslim faith. That’s wrong. ISIS “follows a distinctive form of Islam whose beliefs about the path to the Day of Judgment matter to its strategy,” Wood writes, explaining that they are not like the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt, or even Al Queda under bin Laden, but akin to “the realization of a dystopian alternate reality in which David Koresh or Jim Jones survived to wield absolute power over not just a few hundred people, but some 8 million.”
ISIS lives by the most literal translation of the Koran imaginable, as revealed by Mohammed in the seventh century. A Christian analog would be living under the strict edicts in the Book of Leviticus.
“Virtually every major decision and law promulgated by the Islamic State adheres to what it calls, in its press and announcements, and on its billboards, license plates, stationary, and coins, ‘the Prophetic methodology,’ which means following the prophecy and example of Mohammed, in punctilious detail,” Wood writes. “But pretending that it isn’t actually a religion, millenarian group, with theology that must be understood to be combated, has already led the United States to underestimate it and back foolish schemes to counter it.”
2. ISIS is the most extreme of extremist sects. Just as there are many flavors of American evangelical extremism, ISIS is on the furthest end of the conservative orthodoxy, in terms of its beliefs, literal interpretation of seventh-century law and punishment, and what’s required of true believers for jihad. Wood said ISIS’ beliefs stem from “a branch of Sunnism called Salafism, after the Arabic al salaf al salih, the ‘pious forefathers.’ These forefathers are the Prophet himself and his earliest adherents, whom Salifis honor and emulate as the models for all behavior including warfare, couture, family life, even dentristy.”
Before ISIS’ emergence, the Sunnis who were best-known conservative followers of the Koran were Saudi Arabians. According to ISIS, the Saudis and 200 million Shiite Muslins—a denomination that developed later—have sinfully departed from seventh-century law. The examples range from having governments that send diplomats to non-Islamic bodies like the United Nations, to Shiites who worship at the graves of revered imams. The departures—like cursing one’s parents under Leviticus—are punishable by death. “Being lax about calling other people apostates” for voting in elections or being Shiites, like most of Iraq, is a capital offense. “So too are the heads of state of every Muslim nation, who have elevated manmade laws above Sharia by running for office or enforcing laws not made by God,” Wood writes.
3. To ISIS, required punishment; to others, war crimes. Anyone who followed the news last winter saw ISIS’ horrific videos of beheadings, the burning alive of a captured Jordanian pilot, and the reports of mass executions of men and enslavement of women and children, as well as forcing women to be sex slaves, such as the Yazidis in northwestern Iraq.
continued.
https://www.alternet.org/election-2...pocalyptic-vision-and-desire-end-times-battle
4. Top prophecy: they’re in the battle for end times. In America, some evangelical Christians are among Israel’s biggest defenders because they believe it will hasten the end times foretold in the biblical Book of Revelation. ISIS believes in an Islamic version of a similar end-times prophecy, of which it is a central actor. This is key to understanding what the terrorist attacks in Paris and Beirut are in part about, which according to Wood is baiting Islam’s enemies to fight them where the end-times battle has been foretold.
Their declaration that the Islamic State is a caliphate, or a state fully enforcing Islamic law—which “had not functioned except in name for about 1,000 years,” Wood writes—is “not just a political entity but also a vehicle for salvation.” States like Saudi Arabia are apostates because they selectively follow Islamic penal codes, but not “the whole package.” In a similar vein, ISIS considers Al Qaeda to be another effort marred by half-measures.
However, declaring and establishing a caliphate, which requires the taking of territory, is only a step. ISIS “already rules an area larger than United Kingdom,” noted Wood, who spoke at length with ISIS supporters in England and Australia. They told him that only that form of government was legitimate—both requiring people be stoned to death for adultery and providing free healthcare, for example. That purity accounts for ISIS’ appeal to foreigners, Wood said, who feel they are not only living marginalized and mundane lives in the West, but want to take part in the epic battle for the end times.
Bin Laden didn’t talk about the apocalypse. But ISIS’ leaders believe that confrontation is coming and they see signs of it everywhere, Wood said. ISIS propaganda is filled with the belief “that the armies of Rome will mass to meet the armies of Islam in northern Syria; and that Islam’s final showdown with an anti-Messiah [taken to be a mix of Iranian and U.S.-led forces] will occur in Jerusalem after a period of renewed Islamic conquest.” ISIS believes the final battle will occur in Dabiq.
“It is here, the Prophet reportedly said, that the armies of Rome will set up their camp. The armies of Islam will meet them, and Dabiq will be Rome’s Waterloo or its Antietam,” Wood writes, citing ISIS videos and magazine articles. “Now that it has taken Dabiq, the Islamic State awaits the arrival of an enemy army there, whose defeat will initiate the countdown to the apocalpyse. Western media frequently miss references to Dabiq in the Islamic State’s videos, and focus instead on lurid scenes of beheadings.”
Their declaration that the Islamic State is a caliphate, or a state fully enforcing Islamic law—which “had not functioned except in name for about 1,000 years,” Wood writes—is “not just a political entity but also a vehicle for salvation.” States like Saudi Arabia are apostates because they selectively follow Islamic penal codes, but not “the whole package.” In a similar vein, ISIS considers Al Qaeda to be another effort marred by half-measures.
However, declaring and establishing a caliphate, which requires the taking of territory, is only a step. ISIS “already rules an area larger than United Kingdom,” noted Wood, who spoke at length with ISIS supporters in England and Australia. They told him that only that form of government was legitimate—both requiring people be stoned to death for adultery and providing free healthcare, for example. That purity accounts for ISIS’ appeal to foreigners, Wood said, who feel they are not only living marginalized and mundane lives in the West, but want to take part in the epic battle for the end times.
Bin Laden didn’t talk about the apocalypse. But ISIS’ leaders believe that confrontation is coming and they see signs of it everywhere, Wood said. ISIS propaganda is filled with the belief “that the armies of Rome will mass to meet the armies of Islam in northern Syria; and that Islam’s final showdown with an anti-Messiah [taken to be a mix of Iranian and U.S.-led forces] will occur in Jerusalem after a period of renewed Islamic conquest.” ISIS believes the final battle will occur in Dabiq.
“It is here, the Prophet reportedly said, that the armies of Rome will set up their camp. The armies of Islam will meet them, and Dabiq will be Rome’s Waterloo or its Antietam,” Wood writes, citing ISIS videos and magazine articles. “Now that it has taken Dabiq, the Islamic State awaits the arrival of an enemy army there, whose defeat will initiate the countdown to the apocalpyse. Western media frequently miss references to Dabiq in the Islamic State’s videos, and focus instead on lurid scenes of beheadings.”