PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
really?......is Christianity about patriarchy......
The Godless left showing their tolerance!
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really?......is Christianity about patriarchy......
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
I can think of some bankers who profited from the housing collapse who were modern "socialists".......
Thessalonians was one of Paul's first letters.. and he died BEFORE the destruction of the Temple in 70 AD.
Paul died in 67 AD.. BEFORE John of Patmost wrote Revelation.
CharacterAssassin
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No, Tinkerbell, absolutely spot on on every point, and it's fun to watch you run from them.
Why to you hate Christ and the bible?
PostmodernProphet
fully immersed in faith..
lol......says the folks who think Jesus was a socialist.......clue: it does not mean "a nice guy"......
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Frank,
After all that I said in that post, THAT is your only comment?
That word should speak for itself, Frank. I do not believe there is a creator/overseer being.
Do you now think I am 'the devil?'
After all that I said in that post, THAT is your only comment?
That word should speak for itself, Frank. I do not believe there is a creator/overseer being.
Do you now think I am 'the devil?'
Give it the fuck up, Kudzu.
We are not talking about 3000 fucking years ago...or about the ravings of a mythology.
RIGHT NOW...any child of a Jewish woman...is JEW. That is an essential in the Jewish definition of who is a JEsw.
Jesus H. Christ.
Give it up when you have lost.
Google "Who is a Jew" or "How is it determined that one is a Jew"...
...and the first item will be, "A child of a Jewish woman."
Do it.
I’ve studied with Jews, I don’t have to Google it. It is as I explained a problem the Jews are still grappling with.
That's the way it is now, but consider Bathsheba, mother of Solomon. Her father was a Gilonite (Canaanite) yet Solomon was a Jew.
If you don't care what scripture says, just say so or don't involve yourself in a discussion.
No, I do not think you are the devil.
The descriptor "atheist" means so many things to so many different people...I just want to know what YOU meant when you used it as a descriptor.
The word most assuredly does not speak for itself, Poli.
I DO NOT "BELIEVE" (which is to say, blindly guess) THAT THERE IS A GOD.
I am not an atheist.
I ALSO DO NOT "BELIEVE" (blindly guess) there are no gods.
I also am not a theist.
Some people who use the descriptor "atheist"...in fact ASSERT THAT THERE ARE NO GODS.
So the word does not speak for itself.
I know LOTS of Jews...and I have never encountered a one who is grappling with the question of "Who is a Jew?"
EVERY ONE OF THEM SAYS, "The child of a Jewish woman is a Jew."
Fuck you.
I will involve myself in any discussion I choose to involve myself in.
My statement as I made it initially is absolutely correct.
Obviously you do not know how to acknowledge someone else being correct.
Okay. I hope you eventually deal with that problem.
[h=2]Who is a Jew?[/h]Although the Hebrew Bible defines Jewish identity in patrilineal terms (determined by the identity of the father) the Mishnah states that the offspring of a Jewish mother and a non-Jewish father is recognized as a Jew, while the offspring of a non-Jewish mother and a Jewish father is considered a non-Jew. This talmudic position became normative in Jewish law.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.myjewishlearning.com/article/patrilineal-descent/amp/
The majority view in Karaite Judaism is that Jewish identity can only be transmitted by patrilineal descent They argue that only patrilineal descent can transmit Jewish identity on the grounds that all descent in the Torah went according to the male line. Jewish Tradition Wikipedia
[FONT="]Historically, since the Rabbinic period (post 70 CE), Jewish status was passed down by the mother. This is known as matrilineality. A child of a Jewish mother is Jewish, even if the father is not. Prior to this period, the Bible recognized patrilineal descent, whereby one’s Jewish status was determined by one’s father.
[FONT="]In 1983, the organized Reform Jewish Movement adopted the principal of patrilineal descent. This is a bit of a misnomer. Reform Judaism considers a child of an interfaith couple to be Jewish if one parent is Jewish and the child is raised as a Jew and receives a Jewish education and celebrates appropriate life cycle events, such as receiving a Hebrew name and becoming bar or bat mitzvah. This also assumes that the child is being raised exclusively as a Jew and not practicing another religion.
[/FONT]https://reformjudaism.org/ask-rabbi-topic/patrilineal-descent[FONT="]
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.myjewishlearning.com/article/patrilineal-descent/amp/
The majority view in Karaite Judaism is that Jewish identity can only be transmitted by patrilineal descent They argue that only patrilineal descent can transmit Jewish identity on the grounds that all descent in the Torah went according to the male line. Jewish Tradition Wikipedia
[FONT="]Historically, since the Rabbinic period (post 70 CE), Jewish status was passed down by the mother. This is known as matrilineality. A child of a Jewish mother is Jewish, even if the father is not. Prior to this period, the Bible recognized patrilineal descent, whereby one’s Jewish status was determined by one’s father.
[FONT="]In 1983, the organized Reform Jewish Movement adopted the principal of patrilineal descent. This is a bit of a misnomer. Reform Judaism considers a child of an interfaith couple to be Jewish if one parent is Jewish and the child is raised as a Jew and receives a Jewish education and celebrates appropriate life cycle events, such as receiving a Hebrew name and becoming bar or bat mitzvah. This also assumes that the child is being raised exclusively as a Jew and not practicing another religion.
[/FONT]https://reformjudaism.org/ask-rabbi-topic/patrilineal-descent[FONT="]
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It’s because it has been that way since 70 CE the time the Gospels were being written.
Ask them if that has always been the case.. Because if that's true, King Solomon was NOT a Jew.
Thanks.. Today the pat answer is if the mother is Jewish the children are born Jews, but that was NOT always the case. Bathsheba was not a Jewess nor was Ruth the Grandmother of Jesse and great Grandmother of King David.
Reformed Jews use patralineal descent. It really does depend on which sect of Judaism you practice. It’s not one size fits all.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Frank,
That's interesting.
The whole creator/overseer thing is simply not plausible to me.
Evolution is fact. It is clear that the links between animals and humans are overwhelming. We evolved from lower life forms. Life forms evolve in response to their surroundings. That cannot be plausibly denied. The physical evidence of this is overwhelming. That makes the story of creation false, and thus the entire Bible is to be doubted and not taken as fact (in my view.)
You are what I would call an agnostic. I thought of myself that way for a long time.
I lean that way, but only a minute bit. I have seen so little to support that there is any sort of sentient guidance to the cosmos, that I am 99.9% convinced there is none. But it can't be proved, so I leave room for doubt. The tiniest bit of it. For all essential purposes I am convinced there is no creator/overseer being or beings.
Although it was very interesting reading Van Daniken's 'Chariots Of The Gods.'
That's interesting.
The whole creator/overseer thing is simply not plausible to me.
Evolution is fact. It is clear that the links between animals and humans are overwhelming. We evolved from lower life forms. Life forms evolve in response to their surroundings. That cannot be plausibly denied. The physical evidence of this is overwhelming. That makes the story of creation false, and thus the entire Bible is to be doubted and not taken as fact (in my view.)
You are what I would call an agnostic. I thought of myself that way for a long time.
I lean that way, but only a minute bit. I have seen so little to support that there is any sort of sentient guidance to the cosmos, that I am 99.9% convinced there is none. But it can't be proved, so I leave room for doubt. The tiniest bit of it. For all essential purposes I am convinced there is no creator/overseer being or beings.
Although it was very interesting reading Van Daniken's 'Chariots Of The Gods.'