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[PoliTalker]

Hello JPF,

The bottom line is that you can’t govern if you don’t win. You need 270 electoral votes to do that. Nothing else matters.

I happen to think it does. Morals and decency do matter. And no, the nice guy does not always get the nice end of the stick.

One-hundred percent of your efforts as a candidate for President should be focused on getting those 250 electoral votes.

Whoa. How many?

And, sadly for most Americans, they read only the headlines, hear only the soundbites, and have an attention span that can only take in the first few bullet points. Our President is an embodiment of this laziness. As lazy and vapid and daft and sad as it is, the votes of a person like this not only equal that of the nation’s greatest political scientists…the numbers overwhelm the more learned voters.
Peeling off .05-1.0 percent of these folks is what Harris, Warren, O’Rourke, Biden, and all of the others should be doing; 24/7/556 (# of days until election) because it will help them get to 270. NOTHING ELSE MATTERS.

Such as self-respect, doing the right thing, etc. Why, this is a justification for Trump. If nothing else matters then he is bona fide. He got past 270. It is tantamount to reducing the entire Mueller report to four words, a gross oversimplification.

While the cause is just and the reason is noble, it’s politically foolish to do this when there is no hope of removal from office, and while many Americans will think, “the report didn’t find him guilty, why is the Congress trying?”

If the situation is examined with the scrutiny it deserves the only conclusion is that Trump should be impeached. If Republicans want to lie to themselves to keep power then they only discredit themselves.

The way to win is to win over the hearts and minds, not screw the other side. You stand up for what is right. If you don't achieve the goal of prevailing in your lifetime then somebody else takes the baton and carries it forward. There is no deadline for getting it right. There are only consequences for getting it wrong. Winning by setting a new precedent that the President is above the law is not worth it, not a good trade off. That is what is known in philosophical terms as a win/lose deal.

 

[JPF]

Hello JPF,



I happen to think it does. Morals and decency do matter. And no, the nice guy does not always get the nice end of the stick.



Whoa. How many?



Such as self-respect, doing the right thing, etc. Why, this is a justification for Trump. If nothing else matters then he is bona fide. He got past 270. It is tantamount to reducing the entire Mueller report to four words, a gross oversimplification.



If the situation is examined with the scrutiny it deserves the only conclusion is that Trump should be impeached. If Republicans want to lie to themselves to keep power then they only discredit themselves.

The way to win is to win over the hearts and minds, not screw the other side. You stand up for what is right. If you don't achieve the goal of prevailing in your lifetime then somebody else takes the baton and carries it forward. There is no deadline for getting it right. There are only consequences for getting it wrong. Winning by setting a new precedent that the President is above the law is not worth it, not a good trade off. That is what is known in philosophical terms as a win/lose deal.

I agree with much of what you said.

It matters. What matters more? Being right about pursuing impeachment and losing in November or winning the Oval Office? Many Americans will look at it as the investigation not finding him guilty and wonder why Congress is doing this.

I think they are wrong and I agree with you. But it is what it is.

It has nothing to do with being nice. It has everything to do with being strategic.

Additionally, you can always bring it up after The Election. The Dems May have the Senate.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

An election between old white men is not a good reflection of America in 2020.
I wish Kamala would step up her campaign.
Or somebody younger than 70 something.
We so need a dynamic young charismatic candidate to trounce Trump.

I know. That's what I keep telling the Bernie campaigners who keep sending me text messages asking for support (i.e. donations).

I LMAO @ the Toadstool claiming that he's "young and vibrant" compared to Biden. More like compared to a T. rex fossil. lol

 

[JPF]

Hello JPF,



I happen to think it does. Morals and decency do matter. And no, the nice guy does not always get the nice end of the stick.



Whoa. How many?



Such as self-respect, doing the right thing, etc. Why, this is a justification for Trump. If nothing else matters then he is bona fide. He got past 270. It is tantamount to reducing the entire Mueller report to four words, a gross oversimplification.



If the situation is examined with the scrutiny it deserves the only conclusion is that Trump should be impeached. If Republicans want to lie to themselves to keep power then they only discredit themselves.

The way to win is to win over the hearts and minds, not screw the other side. You stand up for what is right. If you don't achieve the goal of prevailing in your lifetime then somebody else takes the baton and carries it forward. There is no deadline for getting it right. There are only consequences for getting it wrong. Winning by setting a new precedent that the President is above the law is not worth it, not a good trade off. That is what is known in philosophical terms as a win/lose deal.

Again, I do not know if I conveyed it properly. I agree with almost everything you said. When I said “nothing else matters” I was speaking of our system. You win 100% of the oval if you get 270 popular votes. So you have to put all of your energy as a candidate to getting that. No medals for 2nd place in this one.

This isn’t to say that there are no boundaries. It is to say that politically, you’re in an ecosystem where someone running for a state legislature slot in Alabama against a Democratic party opponent who just turned 18 and never left the county where they were born will be shown on TV next to Nancy Pelosi. Everything the Democrats do will affect the nominee. While impeachment is noble and, in my view, warranted…it’s just not smart politics at this point. The people you need to convince are not going to buy the “he did it—no matter if Mueller could prove it or not” argument.

 

[CharacterAssassin]

I know. That's what I keep telling the Bernie campaigners who keep sending me text messages asking for support (i.e. donations).

I LMAO @ the Toadstool claiming that he's "young and vibrant" compared to Biden. More like compared to a T. rex fossil. lol

Amongst all the other issues I have w/Sanders, his age is #1. Let's get someone MUCH younger than him who's not likely to die in office.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Amongst all the other issues I have w/Sanders, his age is #1. Let's get someone MUCH younger than him who's not likely to die in office.

Ra-men. I like Bernie a lot and voted for him in the primaries in 2016. But it's time for us oldsters to step down and let the "kids" have a chance. If the (D)s ever hope to go anywhere, they need to appeal to younger voters with candidates closer in age to them, and not the age of their grandparents.

 

[MAGA MAN]

Ra-men. I like Bernie a lot and voted for him in the primaries in 2016. But it's time for us oldsters to step down and let the "kids" have a chance. If the (D)s ever hope to go anywhere, they need to appeal to younger voters with candidates closer in age to them, and not the age of their grandparents.

So policy doesn't matter, just age.

 

[Nomad]

Ra-men. I like Bernie a lot and voted for him in the primaries in 2016. But it's time for us oldsters to step down and let the "kids" have a chance. If the (D)s ever hope to go anywhere, they need to appeal to younger voters with candidates closer in age to them, and not the age of their grandparents.

Such a shame that age and the wisdom of years is no longer a respected trait in politics.

I find most of the younger candidates to be lightweights with unrealistic, lightweight ideas.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

So policy doesn't matter, just age.

I'm sorry that you feel that way. For the rest of us, however, policy and position matter a great deal. You might have noticed, for instance, that AOC is echoing many of Bernie's positions.... and taking them further. We owe him a huge debt of gratitude for being the standard bearer for progress. Sometimes it seems he was the *only* one. That being said, I think that both parties -- and America -- will be better off if we stop doing the same stuff and voting for ancient ones (like my generation) just because they have familiar names.

 

[MAGA MAN]

I'm sorry that you feel that way.

You misunderstood. Probably intentionally. Bad form.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Such a shame that age and the wisdom of years is no longer a respected trait in politics.
I find most of the younger candidates to be lightweights with lightweight unrealistic ideas.

I respect age and wisdom quite a lot, having a bit of the latter and a lot of the former myself. lol Please see my post to DS for more about my feelings on Bernie's candidacy.

 

[Nomad]

I respect age and wisdom quite a lot, having a bit of the latter and a lot of the former myself. lol Please see my post to DS for more about my feelings on Bernie's candidacy.

Bernie is as bad as the young, naive progs.

Worse, actually when considering that he's an old man who selfishly parlayed his self-interested, pie-in-the-sky pandering to young, naive progs, into political viability and profit for himself.

I think he damaged Hillary Clinton in the primaries and helped put Trump in office.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Bernie is as bad as the young, naive progs.
Worse, actually when considering that he's an old man who selfishly parlayed his self-interested, pie-in-the-sky pandering to young, naive progs, into political viability and profit for himself.
I think he damaged Hillary Clinton in the primaries and helped put Trump in office.

Oh, there's no doubt about that. I have FB friends who, over two years later, are *still* slamming each other for choosing Hillary over Bernie or Bernie over Hillary. That's actually the Toadstool's best bet to get re-elected in 2020. Keep the (D)s divided and pissed at each other so one candidate's supporters stay home from the polls.

As for Bernie being wealthy, I don't see anything to get angered about there. Again, it goes back to "noblesse oblige," the idea that if you have much you are expected to have compassion for those who don't, and act in their interests too rather than solely your own. Definitely Bill Gates practices this concept.

 

[Bigdog]

Such a shame that age and the wisdom of years is no longer a respected trait in politics.

I find most of the younger candidates to be lightweights with unrealistic, lightweight ideas.

Liberal bigoted racist Socialist Identity Politics

 

[Nomad]

Liberal bigoted racist Socialist Identity Politics

Almost as bad as Conservative bigoted racist Plutocratic/Theocratic Identity Politics.

Almost.

 

[Bigdog]

Almost as bad as Conservative bigoted racist Plutocratic/Theocratic Identity Politics.

Almost.

Fake News meme created by socialist "experts".

100% of Democrats are socialist identity politics bigoted racists.

 

[Nomad]

Fake News meme created by socialist "experts".

100% of Democrats are socialist identity politics bigoted racists.

"Fake news" is a lie that was created by Trump for the benefit of his brainless idiot followers, that was proven to be a lie by Mueller, but that his brainless idiot followers still lap up like dogs anyway.

 

[Bigdog]

"Fake news" is a lie that was created by Trump for the benefit of his brainless idiot followers, that was proven to be a lie by Mueller, but that his brainless idiot followers still lap up like dogs anyway.

Nonsense.

Why are you still in denial? You do know that your SS media lied to you about Hillary being a lock to win, right? You do know she didn't win, right?

 

[Nomad]

Nonsense.

Why are you still in denial? You do know that your SS media lied to you about Hillary being a lock to win, right? You do know she didn't win, right?

So according to your cockeyed, backasswards right-wing goober "logic", making a prediction that didn't come to pass, is the equivalent of "lying"?

Or is it only labeled a "lie" when those you consider to be "lib'rul" do it?

What about Fox News?

Did they "lie" too?

Even though we all know they are the media darlings of the right and are known to have their heads shoved shamelessly up Trump's ass as far as any babbling Trumptard drooler, yourself included?

 

[Bigdog]

So according to your cockeyed, backasswards right-wing goober "logic", making a prediction that didn't come to pass, is the equivalent of "lying"?

Or is it only labeled a "lie" when those you consider to be "lib'rul" do it?

What about Fox News?

Did they "lie" too?

Even though we all know they are the media darlings of the right and are known to have their heads shoved shamelessly up Trump's ass as far as any babbling Trumptard drooler, yourself included?

Fox, like the rest of the repub establishment, only half heatedly supported Trump. Obviously, you've never watched it ... unless it's filtered and edited by your lying leftwing socialist state media.

Electoral votes were the issue, Jackass

I watched Steve Kornacki for months explaining how Trump could NEVER get more than 180 votes ... and THAT would take a miracle.

Trump won in an electoral landslide with 306 !!!!! .... and your asshole is still burning