Mueller defends Barr: Says no contradiction on obstruction

Hillary didn’t know ‘C’ stood for Classified lol.

Anyone who believes that I have a bridge I’ll sell them.

Maybe we're supposed to believe that she thought the 'C' was for Clinton...as in for-her-eyes-only...that only SHE could do with those docs as she pleased. :laugh:
 
Stretch, of course, is wrong. What Mueller said on obstruction.
Under our analysis, Congress can permissibly criminalize certain obstructive conduct by the president such as suborning perjury, intimidating witnesses or fabricating evidence, because those prohibitions raise no separation of powers questions.
Any contradictions on that clear explanation are from the rightys.
Mueller made a blueprint for the Dems to follow. Trump obstructed and is still doing it.

Stretch is a delusional liar
 
You and I both know Comey's final report did not accuse her of gross negligence, and he also said she didn't lie under oath.

Btw Bill Clinton was never indicted for obstruction but there was still an impeachment proceeding.

Let's not play here. Gross negligence=extreme carelessness.
 
Quote Originally Posted by christiefan915 View Post

I want to know why Mueller made such an ambiguous statement: "If we had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime we would have said so." What are we supposed to think?

you are a lib'rul.....obviously you are supposed to think that Trump buried the bodies in the basement of the White House.......everyone else things that its over.........
 
Exactly. He could have said 'there is sufficient evidence to recommend this going to the next step (like a grand jury)'.
He did not. Today was Mullet's parting shot at Trump and give the impeachment posse some final ammo for their firing squad.

And he’s getting called out for it.

Mullet also weaseled the democrats by not going ahead and laying an indictment on Barr’s desk. It wouldn’t be an illegal act. At worst, it would have been declared null and void by Barr under DOJ regulations—and the court fights would ensue.

It would have done House Democrats a huge favor. Mullet didn’t want his name affixed to it because that means showing up in court to defend it. If Mullet is the Boy Scout they claim he is and he really thought Trump committed a crime, then his principles would over ride the DOJ regulations and he would have indicted Trump for obstruction of justice. So Mullet spinelessly punted to House Democrats to take the risks and do the dirty work.

I was apparently right in calling him Mullet from day one.
 
And he’s getting called out for it.

Mullet also weaseled the democrats by not going ahead and laying an indictment on Barr’s desk. It wouldn’t be an illegal act. At worst, it would have been declared null and void by Barr under DOJ regulations—and the court fights would ensue.

It would have done House Democrats a huge favor. Mullet didn’t want his name affixed to it because that means showing up in court to defend it. If Mullet is the Boy Scout they claim he is and he really thought Trump committed a crime, then his principles would over ride the DOJ regulations and he would have indicted Trump for obstruction of justice. So Mullet spinelessly punted to House Democrats to take the risks and do the dirty work.

I was apparently right in calling him Mullet from day one.

The classic flathead gray variety :awesome:

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Stretch, of course, is wrong. What Mueller said on obstruction.
Under our analysis, Congress can permissibly criminalize certain obstructive conduct by the president such as suborning perjury, intimidating witnesses or fabricating evidence, because those prohibitions raise no separation of powers questions.
Any contradictions on that clear explanation are from the rightys.
Mueller made a blueprint for the Dems to follow. Trump obstructed and is still doing it.

you realize that Mueller did NOT say that Trump had suborned perjury, intimidated a witness or fabricated evidence, right?......that quote comes in the paragraph explaining the impact of the Franklin case, not in a paragraph outlining the findings of the investigation..........
at page 383
https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf
 
Dershowitz: Shame on Robert Mueller for exceeding his role
By Alan Dershowitz, opinion contributor — 05/29/19 01:45 PM EDT

The statement by special counsel Robert Mueller in a Wednesday press conference that “if we had confidence that the president clearly did not commit a crime we would have said that” is worse than the statement made by then FBI Director James Comey regarding Hillary Clinton during the 2016 presidential campaign. Comey declared in a July 2016 press conference that “although we did not find clear evidence that Secretary Clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive highly classified information.”

Comey was universally criticized for going beyond his responsibility to state whether there was sufficient evidence to indict Clinton. Mueller, however, did even more. He went beyond the conclusion of his report and gave a political gift to Democrats in Congress who are seeking to institute impeachment proceedings against President Trump. By implying that President Trump might have committed obstruction of justice, Mueller effectively invited Democrats to institute impeachment proceedings. Obstruction of justice is a “high crime and misdemeanor” which, under the Constitution, authorizes impeachment and removal of the president.

Until today, I have defended Mueller against the accusations that he is a partisan. I did not believe that he personally favored either the Democrats or the Republicans, or had a point of view on whether President Trump should be impeached. But I have now changed my mind. By putting his thumb, indeed his elbow, on the scale of justice in favor of impeachment based on obstruction of justice, Mueller has revealed his partisan bias. He also has distorted the critical role of a prosecutor in our justice system.

Virtually everybody agrees that, in the normal case, a prosecutor should never go beyond publicly disclosing that there is insufficient evidence to indict. No responsible prosecutor should ever suggest that the subject of his investigation might indeed be guilty even if there was insufficient evidence or other reasons not to indict. Supporters of Mueller will argue that this is not an ordinary case, that he is not an ordinary prosecutor, and that President Trump is not an ordinary subject of an investigation. They are wrong. The rules should not be any different.

Remember that federal investigations by prosecutors, including special counsels, are by their very nature one sided. They hear only evidence of guilt and not exculpatory evidence. Their witnesses are not subject to the adversarial process. There is no cross examination. The evidence is taken in secret behind the closed doors of a grand jury. For that very reason, prosecutors can only conclude whether there is sufficient evidence to commence a prosecution. They are not in a position to decide whether the subject of the investigation is guilty or is innocent of any crimes.

That determination of guilt or innocence requires a full adversarial trial with a zealous defense attorney, vigorous cross examination, exclusionary rules of evidence, and other due process safeguards. Such safeguards were not present in this investigation, and so the suggestion by Mueller that Trump might well be guilty deserves no credence. His statement, so inconsistent with his long history, will be used to partisan advantage by Democrats, especially all those radicals who are seeking impeachment.

No prosecutor should ever say or do anything for the purpose of helping one party or the other. I cannot imagine a plausible reason why Mueller went beyond his report and gratuitously suggested that President Trump might be guilty, except to help Democrats in Congress and to encourage impeachment talk and action. Shame on Mueller for abusing his position of trust and for allowing himself to be used for such partisan advantage.

https://thehill.com/opinion/judicia...hame-on-robert-mueller-for-exceeding-his-role
 
And he’s getting called out for it.

Mullet also weaseled the democrats by not going ahead and laying an indictment on Barr’s desk. It wouldn’t be an illegal act. At worst, it would have been declared null and void by Barr under DOJ regulations—and the court fights would ensue.

It would have done House Democrats a huge favor. Mullet didn’t want his name affixed to it because that means showing up in court to defend it. If Mullet is the Boy Scout they claim he is and he really thought Trump committed a crime, then his principles would over ride the DOJ regulations and he would have indicted Trump for obstruction of justice. So Mullet spinelessly punted to House Democrats to take the risks and do the dirty work.

I was apparently right in calling him Mullet from day one.

“The indictment or criminal prosecution of a sitting President would unconstitutionally undermine the capacity of the executive branch to perform its constitutionally assigned functions,” the 1973 guidance, written when President Richard Nixon was facing obstruction of justice charges.

The other opinion – written in 2000 when charges of obstruction of justice were being leveled at former President Bill Clinton – read: "Our view remains that a sitting President is constitutionally immune from indictment and criminal prosecution."

https://www.daytondailynews.com/new...nt-charged-with-crime/XpX8UKrbZHaSFUHGiRLSiI/
 
And he’s getting called out for it.

Mullet also weaseled the democrats by not going ahead and laying an indictment on Barr’s desk. It wouldn’t be an illegal act. At worst, it would have been declared null and void by Barr under DOJ regulations—and the court fights would ensue.

It would have done House Democrats a huge favor. Mullet didn’t want his name affixed to it because that means showing up in court to defend it. If Mullet is the Boy Scout they claim he is and he really thought Trump committed a crime, then his principles would over ride the DOJ regulations and he would have indicted Trump for obstruction of justice. So Mullet spinelessly punted to House Democrats to take the risks and do the dirty work.

I was apparently right in calling him Mullet from day one.

I've got your Mullet right here idiot!

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And he’s getting called out for it.

Mullet also weaseled the democrats by not going ahead and laying an indictment on Barr’s desk. It wouldn’t be an illegal act. At worst, it would have been declared null and void by Barr under DOJ regulations—and the court fights would ensue.

It would have done House Democrats a huge favor. Mullet didn’t want his name affixed to it because that means showing up in court to defend it. If Mullet is the Boy Scout they claim he is and he really thought Trump committed a crime, then his principles would over ride the DOJ regulations and he would have indicted Trump for obstruction of justice. So Mullet spinelessly punted to House Democrats to take the risks and do the dirty work.

I was apparently right in calling him Mullet from day one.

You don’t know “would have” from shit.

“If we had confidence that the president had clearly not committed a crime we would have said so. We did not.”
 
And he’s getting called out for it.

Mullet also weaseled the democrats by not going ahead and laying an indictment on Barr’s desk. It wouldn’t be an illegal act. At worst, it would have been declared null and void by Barr under DOJ regulations—and the court fights would ensue.

It would have done House Democrats a huge favor. Mullet didn’t want his name affixed to it because that means showing up in court to defend it. If Mullet is the Boy Scout they claim he is and he really thought Trump committed a crime, then his principles would over ride the DOJ regulations and he would have indicted Trump for obstruction of justice. So Mullet spinelessly punted to House Democrats to take the risks and do the dirty work.

I was apparently right in calling him Mullet from day one.
You know how they say that raw intelligence without context isn't actionable?

Same thing with a bunch of "look here" referrals by Mueller.
Mueller hasn't got anything that would go anywhere but the mad dog Dems just need a new scent to go on barking
 
You know how they say that raw intelligence without context isn't actionable?

Same thing with a bunch of "look here" referrals by Mueller.
Mueller hasn't got anything that would go anywhere but the mad dog Dems just need a new scent to go barking down

10 instances of obstruction. 900 former federal prosecutors say they would be prosecutable save for he is President.
 
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