U.S. farmers lost one of their biggest customers this week

Wrong, Obama orchestrated TPP so that a bloc of influential nations could confront China, as we see now, Trump playing his trade war game alone isn't confining China, just the opposite, it is allowing it to expand, we even got the Far East fragmenting while Trump golfs

Are you not familiar with Obama's failed rebalance to Asia-Pacific strategy? It failed (miserably) to contain the rise of China. Do a little research. China handed Obama (and unfortunately the U.S.) its ass.
 
If that were the case, China is winning, they have new investments and infrastructure projects all over the world since Trump took office, the EU is now a willing party, even the Far East is fragmenting with Trump's "America First" policies
By the time we're done with this moron, the country will look exactly like one of trump's myriad failures.

Attacking the EU with tariffs was probably the stupidest move if he planned on going head to head with China. He's the stupidest leader in the entire world.
 
I bet that they all thought it would have a negative impact on some other ppl, not them. Just like the idiots on this board who think so what if the farmers are hurt, we'll just throw billions at them to assauge our group conscience. Except that the tariffs WILL affect us all -- more for food, more to buy appliances, cars, electronics, clothing, shoes, etc. Much, much more. It's not hurting China. It's hurting us... ALL of us.
ANY communist society can wait this out longer than any democracy.

trump doesn't realize that he can't just call Fred Drumpf to bail him out this time.
 
ANY communist society can wait this out longer than any democracy.
trump doesn't realize that he can't just call Fred Drumpf to bail him out this time.

I wonder if Nancy Reagan's seance medium is still around? lol

This is what happens when you fall for a TV game show host that you stupidly believe is a decent businessman. Trump is not Harry Truman.
 
I bet that they all thought it would have a negative impact on some other ppl, not them. Just like the idiots on this board who think so what if the farmers are hurt, we'll just throw billions at them to assauge our group conscience. Except that the tariffs WILL affect us all -- more for food, more to buy appliances, cars, electronics, clothing, shoes, etc. Much, much more. It's not hurting China. It's hurting us... ALL of us.

Yep... What is sad here is, he will likely double down again, all he knows...

I hear ppl talk about it a lot in Market/finance media, but not that much in the general media, not even the lib oriented ones......

If I had one of those outlets I would be screaming to the high heavens HE IS RAISING YOUR TAXES, HE IS RAISING YOUR TAXES!!!
 
Yep... What is sad here is, he will likely double down again, all he knows...
I hear ppl talk about it a lot in Market/finance media, but not that much in the general media, not even the lib oriented ones......
If I had one of those outlets I would be screaming to the high heavens HE IS RAISING YOUR TAXES, HE IS RAISING YOUR TAXES!!!

I know. Same here. Prediction: People will gradually realize that many things we want or need to buy are costing more, much more. The smart ones will know why and correctly blame the failed businessman-turned-game-show-host. The stupid ones will blame China -- as their masters wish.
 
I wonder if Nancy Reagan's seance medium is still around? lol

This is what happens when you fall for a TV game show host that you stupidly believe is a decent businessman. Trump is not Harry Truman.
Perfect storm. Clinton wasn't liked by many. Nor was trump, but when Comey put his thumb on the scale, it skewed the entire election toward the guy who was making promises that nobody believed.

It will be a painful lesson that takes almost a decade to correct.
 
Perfect storm. Clinton wasn't liked by many. Nor was trump, but when Comey put his thumb on the scale, it skewed the entire election toward the guy who was making promises that nobody believed.
It will be a painful lesson that takes almost a decade to correct.

We should live so long. And for anyone who thinks you're making that up, just remember "anyone but Hillary."
 
We should live so long. And for anyone who thinks you're making that up, just remember "anyone but Hillary."
It's tough for me because everyone in NY knew that trump was full of shit. The rest of the country wasn't aware that he's not capable of telling the truth.
 
It's tough for me because everyone in NY knew that trump was full of shit. The rest of the country wasn't aware that he's not capable of telling the truth.

I'm sorry. You should know though that you are not alone. Even in fly-over-bible-belt-stupid-dumfuck-Missouri, we knew that he was a fraud, a huckster, a media whore, a TV-game-show-host. That is, the more informed among us. Sadly, we were outnumbered by the disheartened-because-black-guy-was-POTUS-and-didn't-give-us-nuthin-but-trouble idiots vastly outnumbered us.

Hillary got 3 miilion more votes than Toadstool. Toadstool will never live that one down.
 
It's tough for me because everyone in NY knew that trump was full of shit. The rest of the country wasn't aware that he's not capable of telling the truth.

I'm a New Yorker too but I find it difficult to believe that no one took the time to research his nefarious history after hearing about very publicized things such as his Trump University scam. How the hell does anyone support someone that would do that to fellow Americans. The Evangelicals certainly don't care and if you watch the new Netflix series "The Family" it more or less explains some of this disgraceful crap they are so willing to accept and overlook in order to insert their theological garbage into government and actually permeate the government with it by way of using a monstrosity like Trump to take over the courts and to funnel the wealth to a handful of powerful people. If we are not able to rid the country of Trump and the GOP majority Senate at the next election, the USA is cooked and the grand experiment is over. The right wing must be kept on the fringes and as far away from power as possible as they hate a Democratic system of governance because they are too stupid and selfish to handle it.
 
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retarded thread. No mention of Chinese malign behaviors that force us to confront China.

China engages in all types of espionage, world hegemony and basically in an economic war with
the littoral east Asian states for resources.

Of course many of the same posters in this thread also swallowed DA RUSSIANS COLLUSION -
so I don't expect much understanding of what China is doing. :palm:

Instead of bitching , you should be clamoring for Pelosi to vote on NAFTA 2 as a signal to China
we CAN ACT when needed.

Like everything else, this will now play out in Trumps second term, when China can no longer stall
 
retarded thread. No mention of Chinese malign behaviors that force us to confront China.

China engages in all types of espionage, world hegemony and basically in an economic war with
the littoral east Asian states for resources.

Of course many of the same posters in this thread also swallowed DA RUSSIANS COLLUSION -
so I don't expect much understanding of what China is doing. :palm:

Instead of bitching , you should be clamoring for Pelosi to vote on NAFTA 2 as a signal to China
we CAN ACT when needed.

Like everything else, this will now play out in Trumps second term, when China can no longer stall

Read this week's Economist. They know a great deal more about these things than you do.
 
Read this week's Economist. They know a great deal more about these things than you do.
The Economist has great writers who are totally biased to the left, Iolo sock.

I cancelled years ago when they went to the lunatic side.
 
I'm a New Yorker too but I find it difficult to believe that no one took the time to research his nefarious history after hearing about very publicized things such as his Trump University scam. How the hell does anyone support someone that would do that to fellow Americans. The Evangelicals certainly don't care and if you watch the new Netflix series "The Family" it more or less explains some of this disgraceful crap they are so willing to accept and overlook in order to insert their theological garbage into government and actually permeate the government with it by way of using a monstrosity like Trump to take over the courts and to funnel the wealth to a handful of powerful people. If we are not able to rid the country of Trump and the GOP majority Senate at the next election, the USA is cooked and the grand experiment is over. The right wing must be kept on the fringes and as far away from power as possible as they hate a Democratic system of governance because they are too stupid and selfish to handle it.
Well, let's remember that Hillary was the most qualified to lead the country, but a horrible candidate. Comey did a lot of damage, as well as well timed Russian collusion with the trump campaign/Wikileaks.

The issue wasn't those who voted. It was a matter of kids refusing to vote because they were pissed about Bernie.
 
which you can't discuss in your own words? what "things"
nevermind I'm confident in my knowledge of China malign practices

There are two articles. The shortest and strongest is headed, 'Dangerous miscalculations', and the content is summed up in the sub heading - 'America cannot have a strong economy, a trade war and a weak dollar all at the same time'. It points out that the world economy cannot stand much more of this. The key point about capitalism is to pursue your own interests, not roar and beat your hollow chest.
 
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