Rep. Alexandria Occasion Cortez has 20zK in student loan debt

In other words you can't show the post because it doesn't exist. I said the tax cuts apply equally to everybody.

Yes, you did say that...then you started whittling that down when you realized it wasn't true or accurate.

My point is that you do that constantly with everything; you start off saying one thing, then have to redefine it countless times before you end up eventually making the same point that I made, only you try to usurp it.
 
I agree 100%. I am not a boomer and I didn't support any of that. It all was the result of government spending that increased faster than revenues.

NO! It was because tax cuts reduced revenues, which created deficits.

You never, ever, ever want to admit that. And it's obvious why; if you admit tax cuts reduce revenues, you admit that they create deficits, and then you have to admit they don't make up the revenue they cost in "increased economic activity", nor do they let you "keep more of what you earned" since debt levels increase and personal savings plummets every time taxes have been cut the last 40 years.

Every. Time.
 
The boomers want their Social Security increases, their Medicare Part B payments kept lower and want more coverage, their FEMA payments for hurricane damage, etc.

We can afford all of that rather simply; remove the cap on taxable SS income, and tax the wealthy to pay for health care.

You're the one who takes an emotional stand on this, rather than an economic one.

There is no economic argument against raising taxes on the rich to expand benefits for everyone else. You know that, of course, which is why you make emotional arguments.
 
The Gordon Gecko greed is showing itself again in those who want to take the income and wealth from those they deem "wealthy" and give others more benefits with their money--free college, free healthcare. .

Economically, those proposals make all the sense in the world, and you cannot and will not make an economic argument against them; which is why you stick with the emotional Republican talking points about "fairness".

You say it's unfair to tax the wealthy to provide benefits for everyone else, and I would ask, was it fair for the wealthy to take all the income and wage gains over the last 40 years?
 
There is nothing "unfair" about a billionaire. They earned their money honestly and should not be looked down upon by others who are jealous of their success.

LOL!

I'm not sure if that was meant to be parody or if it's something you truly believe, but to think that billionaires like Trump or the Sacklers earned their money honestly is either an hilarious joke, or just complete and total ignorance.
 
There is nothing "unfair" about a billionaire. They earned their money honestly and should not be looked down upon by others who are jealous of their success.

Like I said; you cannot make an economic argument against anything I'm proposing. Instead, the arguments you make are emotional ones. You do that for two reasons:

1) You're lazy as fuck

2) You don't want to give me the satisfaction because your ego is far too fragile to bear the dragging I will definitely do on you. You know that I will be relentless with it. That I won't let you forget it, and will use it against you in everything else you say. Because when it comes down to it; you never make coherent economic arguments...your arguments always end up boiling down to emotion. You do that because you think you can win an emotional argument in defense of billionaires...but you can't.
 
LOL!

I'm not sure if that was meant to be parody or if it's something you truly believe, but to think that billionaires like Trump or the Sacklers earned their money honestly is either an hilarious joke, or just complete and total ignorance.

The typical liberal attempt to proclaim anybody with money obviously earned it illegally to justify high taxes and a "wealth tax."
 
The typical liberal attempt to proclaim anybody with money obviously earned it illegally to justify high taxes and a "wealth tax."

You can't make an economic argument against raising their taxes to expand benefits, so you make an emotional one instead.
 
The typical liberal attempt to proclaim anybody with money obviously earned it illegally to justify high taxes and a "wealth tax."

So wait a second, Flash. Are you now saying that not all billionaires came about their wealth legitimately, fairly, or legally? You said billionaires earned their wealth honestly.

So now comes the part where you start walking that broad, vague, generalization back, isn't it? Is this the part where you start moving goalposts? Here's what you said:

They earned their money honestly and should not be looked down upon by others who are jealous of their success.

We just learned two days ago that the Sackler family deliberately and dishonestly exploded the opioid epidemic for which they now are facing penalties and fines. Their fortune was built on the backs of opioid addicts; opioids they knew were addictive and dangerous but hid those dangers from the doctors and hospitals they sold their drugs to.

But to you, that's "honesty", I guess. Lying about the thing you produce in order to make money is "honest" according to the standard you just established two posts ago.

You're a real piece of shit.
 
“Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez made a student loan payment on Tuesday — and also revealed how much she still owes — while attending a congressional hearing on college debt.

“I literally made a student loan payment while I was sitting here at this chair, and I looked at my balance, and it was $20,237.16,” said the New York lawmaker. “I just made a payment that took me down to $19,000 so I feel really accomplished right now.”

Ocasio-Cortez, a Boston University graduate, was attending a House Financial Services Committee hearing on the estimated $1.5 trillion in student debt in the country. Consumer advocates, experts and public figures testified on different ways to bring the number down.

Ocasio-Cortez is one of nearly 70 members of Congress who are still paying off student loans for themselves or a dependent — with an average debt burden of $37,000. Eight lawmakers are said to have more than $100,000 in debt.

“I’m hearing people on this committee say it’s not our job,” Ocasio-Cortez said, referring to testimony from Republicans during the hearing. “This is our job.”

This is a clear conflict of interest by her and the other Democrats who have unpaid student loans.

They want taxpayers to pay their loans. Conflict of interest.

That's not how conflicts of interest work. If it were, members of Congress could never vote for a tax cut, since they'd enjoy lower taxes, nor for highway bills, since they might drive on those highways, nor for anything else. Obviously. Anyway, it's actually surprising she doesn't have more debt, considering she's only been out of school since 2011. These days, total estimated cost of attending Boston University is $72,052 per year. If a person managed to earn $10k per year working over the summer and part time during the school year, that still leaves a debt of about a quarter million dollars after four years of school, plus whatever interest accrued. Presumably, since Ocasio-Cortez came from a family of modest means and was an academic star in high school, she got both needs-based and merit-based grants, reducing the cost considerably. Otherwise, she'd probably still owe a lot more than $20k right now.
 
You can't make an economic argument against raising their taxes to expand benefits, so you make an emotional one instead.

Here is an economic argument. California has very high taxes and generous welfare benefits and the country's highest poverty rate. Doesn't look like it works that great. New York with high taxes and generous benefits has the 3rd highest poverty rate.

As I proved to you previously, the 91% tax rate of the 1950's earned no more revenue as a percentage of GDP than the currently lower rates.

It creates a larger government that takes more money out of the economy that could be used for consumer spending.

It creates a generation who think they can get government to pay their debt obligations.

It encourages colleges to raise their costs because the students will not have to pay for them (which is acknowledged they have done with current loans and grants).

Higher taxes and a wealth tax result in people finding ways to shelter that money. Keep taxing a person's wealth and soon there is nothing left to tax. Then who pays for college?

Political choices are not always determined by economic arguments but by many other factors.
 
That's not how conflicts of interest work. If it were, members of Congress could never vote for a tax cut, since they'd enjoy lower taxes, nor for highway bills, since they might drive on those highways, nor for anything else. Obviously. Anyway, it's actually surprising she doesn't have more debt, considering she's only been out of school since 2011. These days, total estimated cost of attending Boston University is $72,052 per year. If a person managed to earn $10k per year working over the summer and part time during the school year, that still leaves a debt of about a quarter million dollars after four years of school, plus whatever interest accrued. Presumably, since Ocasio-Cortez came from a family of modest means and was an academic star in high school, she got both needs-based and merit-based grants, reducing the cost considerably. Otherwise, she'd probably still owe a lot more than $20k right now.

A tax cut affects everyone who pays taxes.

A bill that has a "cut-out" for those who signed on the dotted line and promised to pay back their loans is a direct conflict of interest.

If she didn't want to pay back the loan, she shouldn't have taken the loan in the first place.

I paid mine and helped pay my three children's loans.

She can pay hers.
 
Here is an economic argument. California has very high taxes and generous welfare benefits and the country's highest poverty rate. Doesn't look like it works that great. New York with high taxes and generous benefits has the 3rd highest poverty rate.

California has the world's sixth largest economy and a budget surplus.

The poverty measurement you're using counts middle class folks who get state aid as below the poverty line.

More jobs have been created in CA than any other state since the Great Bush Recession.

CA has attracted more immigrants than any other state.

CA gets back less in federal spending than it contributes to the Treasury.
 
As I proved to you previously, the 91% tax rate of the 1950's earned no more revenue as a percentage of GDP than the currently lower rates.

Flash, a mere 1% change in rev-GDP ratio is the equivalent of $200B, or 1/5 of our current tax cut-fueled deficit.

The rev-GDP rate changes you showed before varied anywhere between 1-5% ($200B - $1T).

You are being dishonest when you use rev-GDP and neglect to mention the fact that what appears as a nominal change in percentage terms is anything but nominal when it comes to actual dollar figures.

You are deliberately leaving that out of your argument because of what it means for your argument.

That's why I say you act in bad faith.
 
NO! It was because tax cuts reduced revenues, which created deficits.

You never, ever, ever want to admit that. And it's obvious why; if you admit tax cuts reduce revenues, you admit that they create deficits, and then you have to admit they don't make up the revenue they cost in "increased economic activity", nor do they let you "keep more of what you earned" since debt levels increase and personal savings plummets every time taxes have been cut the last 40 years.

Every. Time.

Because it is not true. Look at the history of revenues and expenditures to see that spending increased faster than revenues.

You were proven wrong that fiscal year 2018 revenue was higher than 2017. And I never claimed tax cuts increased revenue--that is a false argument on your part.

You have yet to show any increased debt and lower personal savings have any connection to tax cuts. Correlation does not equal causation.

Your claim that benefits were cut is misleading. First, Medicaid has increased the last three years (not cut) and is at a record high. SNAP spending is lower but that is because the number of recipients declined from 47 million (2010) to 39 million. Less recipients means less spending. People have jobs at 3.7% unemployment rate and don't need SNAP.

The most recent wage report said increased wages were driven by the manufacturing sector with an average of $29.83 per hour. So your claim that wage gains are the result of increases in the minimum wage is BS. Those gains also exist in states that have not raised their minimum wage but still have the federal $7.25.
 
Flash, a mere 1% change in rev-GDP ratio is the equivalent of $200B, or 1/5 of our current tax cut-fueled deficit.

The rev-GDP rate changes you showed before varied anywhere between 1-5% ($200B - $1T).

You are being dishonest when you use rev-GDP and neglect to mention the fact that what appears as a nominal change in percentage terms is anything but nominal when it comes to actual dollar figures.

You are deliberately leaving that out of your argument because of what it means for your argument.

That's why I say you act in bad faith.

How much in actual dollars it amounts to is irrelevant to the fact that the lower tax rate raised as much revenue as a portion of the economy. Remember that the 1% GDP is also reflected in increased expenditures.
 
California has the world's sixth largest economy and a budget surplus.

The poverty measurement you're using counts middle class folks who get state aid as below the poverty line.

More jobs have been created in CA than any other state since the Great Bush Recession.

CA has attracted more immigrants than any other state.

CA gets back less in federal spending than it contributes to the Treasury.

None of which have anything to do with the poverty rate. You also bring up facts completely irrelevant to the topic being discussed; especially when it does not fit your ideology.
 
So wait a second, Flash. Are you now saying that not all billionaires came about their wealth legitimately, fairly, or legally? You said billionaires earned their wealth honestly.

So now comes the part where you start walking that broad, vague, generalization back, isn't it? Is this the part where you start moving goalposts?

Don't start that crap again. You are the only poster that has to be explained that general statements are not to be taken 100% literally. I usually have to add a "almost all" statement just for you because you argue primarily trivia. When a person says billionaires earned their money honestly any rational person knows it does not mean 100%. There are crooks among billionaires, poor people, Democrats, etc.

Are you really that literal or do you just like to argue? If I say blacks vote Democratic, I don't think I have to say "most" or "90+ percent." Everybody except LV426 will know what I mean and not waste time on explanation.

Are all the people that literal on LV426?
 
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