Another confederate statue removed

ZILCHMONGER said:
I sincerely believe that slavery would have eventually disappeared. The primary reason the South owned slaves (and for the most part the North did not) was strictly economic in nature. The South was the agricultural center of the Union. It derived the vast bulk of its wealth from growing cotton and tobacco. Both of these are highly labor intensive. They also presented a moral dilemma for many in both the North and the South. I believe that progress in labor saving farm machinery would eventually have spelled the end of using human beings to do the work of machines. Machines would have proven (as they have) to be far more efficient than slavery and plantation owners would have switched. Yes, it would have taken time but it would not have meant the deaths of over 400,000 citizens. It would not have lead to the destruction of plantations, leaving the South in ruins and I believe if slaves were freed by their owners rather than stolen by the Federal government race relations would be far better today.
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The North DID own slaves, at least for awhile.
 
Bull Durham said:
It didn't need to become a war at all. If the CSA hadn't been so retarded as to attack America, it could have remained a separate entity until its economy collapsed.
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The South did not attack America. Prior to the War Between the States very few thought of themselves as "Americans". They were New Yorkers, Or Tennesseans or Ohioans or North Carolinians. There were actually very few battles fought on Northern soil with Gettysburg and Antietam being the most notable. The bulk of the fighting was in the Southern states, with Tennessee, Mississippi Virginia and Georgia bearing the brunt of the fighting and the destruction.
 
TTQ64 said:
What a crock of bullshit.

Blacks did not own slaves in white america. Is this what the racist white man teaches in the schools you heathens attend?

BLACK BODIES ARE STILL NOT FREE TODAY!!!!
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Please do not make yourself appear this stupid. Of course there were black slave owners in the South. Few and far between but they did exist none the less. The Mistress of Kingsley Plantation was a black women who, along with her white husband owned slaves. Not all blacks were slaves and not all slaves were black.

And you are right, Black bodies are still not free today. The nation of Niger still maintains slavery for the royal family, although it denies it. I would submit slavery is still alive and well throughout the Muslim world as well. You don't think that slavery originated and is confined to the South do you?
 
Into the Night said:
Really? Then why is President Lincoln memorialized in Washington DC? Why is the Washington monument standing? Why the Jefferson memorial?

George Washington was a traitor to the British government, which claimed sovereignty over the colonists at the time. So was Jefferson.
Lincoln invaded a foreign nation and seized property (in violation of the 4th amendment), and started one of the bloodiest wars in history.

So what about these treason monuments? They are all on public property!
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You really this dumb?
 
Into the Night said:
False dichotomy fallacy. The Confederacy was a union of States also, but under their own constitution. At the time, there were TWO Unites States of America (and many territories) in what we today call the USA. That's if you don't count the indian nations and confederacies.

The Union invaded the Confederacy. They tried to arm and supply a fort in a foreign nation without that nation's consent. That's what set off the War. The South was right to defend itself.

If the Union has simply let the Confederacy be, there would not have been a war at all, and slavery would've died out on its own (it was already dying as an institution).
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There never was a CSA,they failed to creat a country
 
CFM said:
Those that call the Confederates traitors clearly don't understand the definition of the term. For someone to be a traitor, they have to go against their own nation. Wanting to peacefully leave isn't traitorous nor is fighting when those that refuse to let you go do so in a way where the only thing you can do is fight back.
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Who fired on Ft Sumner?
 
TTQ64 said:
What a crock of bullshit.

Blacks did not own slaves in white america. Is this what the racist white man teaches in the schools you heathens attend?

BLACK BODIES ARE STILL NOT FREE TODAY!!!!
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Sadly you're wrong,a few blacks owned slaves.
And Sherman found a few white slaves in his March to the Sea.
 
Into the Night said:
Hear hear!

For these idiots to call the Confederates traitors and claim loyalty to the United States is to call themselves traitors! The United States itself was formed out of States (then called Colonies) leaving their sovereign government and forming their own, and going their own way, and joining up in a confederacy of their own.

One was successful. The other wasn't.
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When the colonies declared their independence they did so for the same principled reasons the Confederacy used to do so. While specifics may be different, the fundamental reasons for both doing so are the same. Both the colonies and the States that created the Confederacy wanted to leave peacefully. It was the actions of those not wanting them to leave that produced war.

When the Revolutionary War was over, most of the Loyalists that opposed independence remained in the newly formed United States with full citizenship. The majority that left went to areas in what today is Canada and some went to Florida taking their slaves with them. Only a small portion of those leaving went (back) to Great Britain.

On a side note, there were more slaves held under the Stars and Stripes than under the Stars and Bars.
 
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Miss Margot Frank said:
Bullshit!They had to win the war to be out of the Union.
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By saying that, you're admitting the Union was the aggressor. The States that seceded were more than happy to have gone peacefully.

Thousands renounce their citizenship of the U.S. annually and do so for a variety of reasons.

2016 - 5,411
2017 - 5,133
2018 - 3,981

Are they considered traitors and do they have to fight to leave? They want to go peacefully and are willing to stand up for the reasons they use.
 
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