Another confederate statue removed

By saying that, you're admitting the Union was the aggressor. The States that seceded were more than happy to have gone peacefully.

Thousands renounce their citizenship of the U.S. annually and do so for a variety of reasons.

2016 - 5,411
2017 - 5,133
2018 - 3,981

Are they considered traitors and do they have to fight to leave? They want to go peacefully and are willing to stand up for the reasons they use.

The Union had every right and responsibility to put down the rebellion after attacked at Ft Sumter.
 
By saying that, you're admitting the Union was the aggressor. The States that seceded were more than happy to have gone peacefully.

Thousands renounce their citizenship of the U.S. annually and do so for a variety of reasons.

2016 - 5,411
2017 - 5,133
2018 - 3,981

Are they considered traitors and do they have to fight to leave? They want to go peacefully and are willing to stand up for the reasons they use.

Those that renounce their citizenship do it as individuals.
Not an armed mob of treasonous racist scum.
 
Those that renounce their citizenship do it as individuals.
Not an armed mob of treasonous racist scum.

Those that seceded did it as individual States. When they voted for secession, no arms were involved. They didn't start defending themselves until a bunch of pussies got mad they wanted to leave.
 
Who was shooting at Ft Sumter?

There is a difference between attacking and defending something that you clearly don't understand.

If someone breaks into my house, I'm not attacking them when I use deadly force under the law. I'm defending what the law says I can defend.
 
There is a difference between attacking and defending something that you clearly don't understand.

If someone breaks into my house, I'm not attacking them when I use deadly force under the law. I'm defending what the law says I can defend.

Who fired the first shot?
Who broke into the Federal arsenal in Louisiana?
 
And another example of the SJW's trying to hide a low point in our history. We have a statue of a union soldier looking north in our town. I guess we should tear it down because it reminds us of the Civil war and slavery.
 
And another example of the SJW's trying to hide a low point in our history. We have a statue of a union soldier looking north in our town. I guess we should tear it down because it reminds us of the Civil war and slavery.

The destruction of historical statues was done by the Taliban and ISIS.
 
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This issue reminds me of the republican loss in the last election, the topic is constantly being rearranged into something other than what it was. We could include the Iraq invasion too, as it was a constant redefining of motives values and reasons. But when the south lost because of their attachment to slavery all sorts of Pandora explanations spewed forth into the history of made up whys. Today with cyberspace the reasons change and grow in all directions on a weekly basis. As Soviet radio once reported "We cannot predict the future, but the past is changing before our very eyes." After listening to the republicans yesterday, they can do the past and the future. Global happiness follows close behind their new budget. Weird how now they are on the right track, or is this the same track spun magically new?

The south wanted slavery, same as the republicans today want power and corporate wealth, nothing has really changed. All that changes is the influence of money and paid for revisionism. The new revisionism is a mea culpa history. Below are a few links that tell the story if you can see it or the harder part, accept it. If unanimity existed, history would be so easy but ignoring the fundamental reason is dishonest.

This piece covers the topic of why. "Her conclusion is that the Americans who fought the Civil War overwhelmingly thought they were fighting about slavery, and that we should take their word for it."

https://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=44785

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"Benjamin Franklin, in a 1773 letter to Dean Woodward, confirmed that whenever the Americans had attempted to end slavery, the British government had indeed thwarted those attempts. Franklin explained that . . . . a disposition to abolish slavery prevails in North America, that many of Pennsylvanians have set their slaves at liberty, and that even the Virginia Assembly have petitioned the King for permission to make a law for preventing the importation of more into that colony. This request, however, will probably not be granted as their former laws of that kind have always been repealed. "

WallBuilders - Issues and Articles - The Founding Fathers and Slavery


Southern arguments for slavery http://www.ushistory.org/us/27f.asp

Lincoln's position: https://www.history.com/news/5-things-you-may-not-know-about-lincoln-slavery-and-emancipation


Does the constitution allow secession

https://www.historians.org/teaching...ue-herald/can-a-state-constitutionally-secede
 
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