How much Mueller report should be in the impeachment articles and trial?

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Micawber

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I say one single count-one mass throwaway count of obstruction of justice lumped together. Here's why:

If we had a two year impeachment plan I'd be for a thorough kitchen sink strategy to hold him to account for every fucking crime
Trump has committed. I don't, however, think that because the Mueller report invited Congress to do more with his report. It appears to me that
Dems would simply be rubber stamping the report when it was likely expected that we would develop and expound on those facts that
are obstruction which Mueller found when he said "had it been determined that Trump did not commit a crime, we would have so stated"
Unless Dems are prepared (and obviously Repukes are not going to cooperate in doing their duty at all) in developing the 5 acts
of obstruction Mueller studied, we should really let that be or just call all that one count added to the Ukraine clean and obvious crimes.

Opinions?
 
Micawber said:
I say one single count-one mass throwaway count of obstruction of justice lumped together. Here's why:

If we had a two year impeachment plan I'd be for a thorough kitchen sink strategy to hold him to account for every fucking crime
Trump has committed. I don't, however, think that because the Mueller report invited Congress to do more with his report. It appears to me that
Dems would simply be rubber stamping the report when it was likely expected that we would develop and expound on those facts that
are obstruction which Mueller found when he said "had it been determined that Trump did not commit a crime, we would have so stated"
Unless Dems are prepared (and obviously Repukes are not going to cooperate in doing their duty at all) in developing the 5 acts
of obstruction Mueller studied, we should really let that be or just call all that one count added to the Ukraine clean and obvious crimes.

Opinions?
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Seeing as how everyone knows what is in it already, I say all of it. Just another hole for Democrats to put in their sinking boat.
 
Micawber said:
I say one single count-one mass throwaway count of obstruction of justice lumped together. Here's why:

If we had a two year impeachment plan I'd be for a thorough kitchen sink strategy to hold him to account for every fucking crime
Trump has committed. I don't, however, think that because the Mueller report invited Congress to do more with his report. It appears to me that
Dems would simply be rubber stamping the report when it was likely expected that we would develop and expound on those facts that
are obstruction which Mueller found when he said "had it been determined that Trump did not commit a crime, we would have so stated"
Unless Dems are prepared (and obviously Repukes are not going to cooperate in doing their duty at all) in developing the 5 acts
of obstruction Mueller studied, we should really let that be or just call all that one count added to the Ukraine clean and obvious crimes.

Opinions?
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Throw EVERYTHING there is at the POS!

There are many other issues/articles that should be introduced as well and I am waiting for a list that is being compiled by author and activist Thom Hartman in order to post it here. We owe it to history to formally name all of the high crimes.
 
Micawber said:
I say one single count-one mass throwaway count of obstruction of justice lumped together. Here's why:

If we had a two year impeachment plan I'd be for a thorough kitchen sink strategy to hold him to account for every fucking crime
Trump has committed. I don't, however, think that because the Mueller report invited Congress to do more with his report. It appears to me that
Dems would simply be rubber stamping the report when it was likely expected that we would develop and expound on those facts that
are obstruction which Mueller found when he said "had it been determined that Trump did not commit a crime, we would have so stated"
Unless Dems are prepared (and obviously Repukes are not going to cooperate in doing their duty at all) in developing the 5 acts
of obstruction Mueller studied, we should really let that be or just call all that one count added to the Ukraine clean and obvious crimes.

Opinions?
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This part:

Mueller Report; Page 173 V I: Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.

Mueller Report; Page 182 V II:
I. CONCLUSION

Accordingly, ….. this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime…...
 
Cinnabar said:
Throw EVERYTHING there is at the POS!

There are many other issues/articles that should be introduced as well and I am waiting for a list that is being compiled by author and activist Thom Hartman in order to post it here. We owe it to history to formally name all of the high crimes.
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Micawber said:
I say one single count-one mass throwaway count of obstruction of justice lumped together. Here's why:

If we had a two year impeachment plan I'd be for a thorough kitchen sink strategy to hold him to account for every fucking crime
Trump has committed. I don't, however, think that because the Mueller report invited Congress to do more with his report. It appears to me that
Dems would simply be rubber stamping the report when it was likely expected that we would develop and expound on those facts that
are obstruction which Mueller found when he said "had it been determined that Trump did not commit a crime, we would have so stated"
Unless Dems are prepared (and obviously Repukes are not going to cooperate in doing their duty at all) in developing the 5 acts
of obstruction Mueller studied, we should really let that be or just call all that one count added to the Ukraine clean and obvious crimes.

Opinions?
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Extortion. Abuse of Power. Obstruction of Justice. Emoluments.
 
Micawber said:
I say one single count-one mass throwaway count of obstruction of justice lumped together. Here's why:

If we had a two year impeachment plan I'd be for a thorough kitchen sink strategy to hold him to account for every fucking crime
Trump has committed. I don't, however, think that because the Mueller report invited Congress to do more with his report. It appears to me that
Dems would simply be rubber stamping the report when it was likely expected that we would develop and expound on those facts that
are obstruction which Mueller found when he said "had it been determined that Trump did not commit a crime, we would have so stated"
Unless Dems are prepared (and obviously Repukes are not going to cooperate in doing their duty at all) in developing the 5 acts
of obstruction Mueller studied, we should really let that be or just call all that one count added to the Ukraine clean and obvious crimes.

Opinions?
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BRING IT ON!! MORE HILARIOUS "CREATE A CRIME" from the STLAINIST DUNCE-O-CRAT POLITBURO... :laugh:
 
Micawber said:
I say one single count-one mass throwaway count of obstruction of justice lumped together. Here's why:

If we had a two year impeachment plan I'd be for a thorough kitchen sink strategy to hold him to account for every fucking crime
Trump has committed. I don't, however, think that because the Mueller report invited Congress to do more with his report. It appears to me that
Dems would simply be rubber stamping the report when it was likely expected that we would develop and expound on those facts that
are obstruction which Mueller found when he said "had it been determined that Trump did not commit a crime, we would have so stated"
Unless Dems are prepared (and obviously Repukes are not going to cooperate in doing their duty at all) in developing the 5 acts
of obstruction Mueller studied, we should really let that be or just call all that one count added to the Ukraine clean and obvious crimes.

Opinions?
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The collusion with Russia should definitely be included because it shows this is a pattern of behavior.
 
Truth Detector said:
This part:

Mueller Report; Page 173 V I: Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities.

Mueller Report; Page 182 V II:
I. CONCLUSION

Accordingly, ….. this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime…...
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Mueller Conclusion

“Because we determined not to make a traditional prosecutorial judgment, we did not draw ultimate conclusions about the President's conduct. The evidence we obtained about the President's actions and intent presents difficult issues that would need to be resolved if we were making a traditional prosecutorial judgment. At the same time, if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state. Based on the facts and the applicable legal standards, we are unable to reach that judgment. Accordingly, while this report does not conclude that the President committed a crime, it also does not exonerate him.”
 
Micawber said:
I say one single count-one mass throwaway count of obstruction of justice lumped together. Here's why:

If we had a two year impeachment plan I'd be for a thorough kitchen sink strategy to hold him to account for every fucking crime
Trump has committed. I don't, however, think that because the Mueller report invited Congress to do more with his report. It appears to me that
Dems would simply be rubber stamping the report when it was likely expected that we would develop and expound on those facts that
are obstruction which Mueller found when he said "had it been determined that Trump did not commit a crime, we would have so stated"
Unless Dems are prepared (and obviously Repukes are not going to cooperate in doing their duty at all) in developing the 5 acts
of obstruction Mueller studied, we should really let that be or just call all that one count added to the Ukraine clean and obvious crimes.

Opinions?
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I think the obstruction of justice, it shows a pattern.
 
simple and direct, don't toss any additional and unnecessary red meat out there for Trump and the right wing echo chamber

Mueller's report listed at least 10 counts of obstruction, true, but that report has been thoroughly tainted by Barr and the rw echo chamber, and has unfortunately become a rallying point - guaranteed to give the chamber even more fuel


Abuse Of Power (the Trump/Zelensky quid pro quo/bribe/extortion)

Obstruction Of Congress (volumes of fresh evidence exist, recently documented and seen at the public hearings)

...….let the other charge of Obstruction Of Justice wait for another time, chop chop keep it clean
 
Cinnabar said:
Throw EVERYTHING there is at the POS!

There are many other issues/articles that should be introduced as well and I am waiting for a list that is being compiled by author and activist Thom Hartman in order to post it here. We owe it to history to formally name all of the high crimes.
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"We owe it to history", perfect.
 
Micawber said:
I say one single count-one mass throwaway count of obstruction of justice lumped together. Here's why:

If we had a two year impeachment plan I'd be for a thorough kitchen sink strategy to hold him to account for every fucking crime
Trump has committed. I don't, however, think that because the Mueller report invited Congress to do more with his report. It appears to me that
Dems would simply be rubber stamping the report when it was likely expected that we would develop and expound on those facts that
are obstruction which Mueller found when he said "had it been determined that Trump did not commit a crime, we would have so stated"
Unless Dems are prepared (and obviously Repukes are not going to cooperate in doing their duty at all) in developing the 5 acts
of obstruction Mueller studied, we should really let that be or just call all that one count added to the Ukraine clean and obvious crimes.

Opinions?
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I leave it to the lawyers and decision makers

I just want a president who will not be laughed out of NATO meetings

I do not think Pence will be laughed out of Europe
 
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