Robot roll call Impeachment

Hello Micawber,

Micawber said:
The whole "it must be bipartisan" is a ridiculous constriction to place on oneself. It presupposes good faith and conscience on the part of all.
If the by sheer number the senate can "acquit" the president and that number is a lockstep cult that does not share the frame of reference of reason, rule of law
and morality, then you could never bring impeachment, even if Trump got on Air Force 1 and nuked the USA.

If Republicans will simply go along with any trouble Trump gets himself into you could never have impeachment with "Pelosi's" earlier stance.

The "rule" should simply include it is preferable if it has bipartisan support. Bipartisan support
should not be the crucible or test. For instance, you could have impeachment when there is bipartisan support when NO wrong was actually done.

The substance and virtue of the case must always dictate how they act. Here no person of good conscience can do other than impeach Trump and remove
him from office. Anyone voting otherwise is bought and corrupted and themselves violating their oaths. Hence my traitor list.
It is as ipso facto as it can get. You vote Trump out or you are yourself "worthy" of impeachment.
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That's why she said 'should,' and not 'must.'

The 'should' does not recognize a threat of being tweet-slapped, for instance.
 
Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
Basically, Democrats don’t want to subject their crime theory to things like due process until it gets to the Senate—which still isn’t a slam dunk based on some of what I’ve been hearing.

There was no debating the guilt of either Nixon or Clinton in their Senate trials—it was only a question of whether it warranted removal.

Democrats want to skip ‘the due process thing lol’ and proclaim Trump guilty with their *tightly controlled* Schiff hearing. Yet it seems to surprise them that republicans [and even some democrats] are calling bullshit on it. I guess they realize this but who knows..but democrats are faced with trying to establish Trump’s guilt in the Senate, where the other side gets to tell their story, finally.

Where Republicans get to call one or both of the Biden’s to see if Trump may have had a *responsibility* to ask Zelensky for an investigation. Pelosi and company may insist that they are innocent but, rest assured, they’ll be sitting there with both fingers crossed while the Biden’s are under oath.

To say things could get messy for Democrats is an understatement. Democrats warrant their own chapter in The Book of Hubris.
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If President Trump had a responsibility to request an investigation then he would not ask for it as a favor. He's Trump. He's a bully. Trump does not ask for things. He demands them. You don't know our President very well if you don't agree.
 
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PoliTalker said:
Hello Southern Chicken,



The House hearings showed very clearly that Republicans were only interested in defending President Trump, not hearing the evidence against him.
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Hearing and truth can be two different things.
They were weighing in on the truth of the evidence presented against the accused.
 
It will soon be written in stone that the Senate put an end to this abomination.

Innocent, the radical Democrat Socialists fail, once again, to remove a sitting president that the voters elected.

The American voters determine who our presidents are, not a bunch of losers in the House.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth,



If President Trump had a responsibility to request an investigation then he would not ask for it as a favor. He's Trump. He's a bully. Trump does ask for things. He demands them. You don't know our President very well if you don't agree.
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You speak as though you personally know the President. When was the last time he invited you to lunch or dinner?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth,



If President Trump had a responsibility to request an investigation then he would not ask for it as a favor. He's Trump. He's a bully. Trump does ask for things. He demands them. You don't know our President very well if you don't agree.
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So, we have to agree with you to know our president.

I agree that you are a hard core fanatic who voted for the loser in 2016 and has been sulking since then.
 
Frank Apisa said:
President Zelensky was elected on an anti-corruption platform...and, unlike Trump, may actually be a man of character. Add to that the fact that he knows he must retain the good-will of the United States...and getting involved in the politics of the US might prove, over the long run, to be destructive of that end.

Not all politicians in this world think only in short-term terms. President Zelensky almost certainly saw through the transparent extortion attempts...and decided not to get involved...or at very least, to delay involvement in what was obviously an attempt to get him involve in Trumpian politics.

President Zelensky even knew that the investigations were not necessary. He was being extorted just to pretend they were being made...just to make a public announcement that they were being made. There was no question that it was a ruse to help the Trump campaign.

So...the answer to your question is NO.
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The deal with the old Uk president, Proshenko, was approved on May 23. Zelensky was elected on May 25. So his admin was never checked by the U.S. Dept. for corruption. A 55 day delay was not unreasonable given the unusual circumstances.

There is nothing immoral about opening an investigation. We have an anti corruption treaty with Ukraine that makes it legal. Your psycho analysis of Zelensky contradicts his own words at the time. And defies the claims of URGENCY because they are at WAR.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth,



If President Trump had a responsibility to request an investigation then he would not ask for it as a favor. He's Trump. He's a bully. Trump does not ask for things. He demands them. You don't know our President very well if you don't agree.
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You just said it.

Trump asked for a simple favor of Zelensky. Apparently, Zelensky took it exactly as such because he did absolutely nothing.

Trump sucks as a strong man, just like he sucks as a racist with those wonderful black employment numbers he’ll take into the election lol?
 
Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
What do you call a ‘trial’ where the accused has no one to testify to their innocence?
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We have not gotten to the trial yet.

Impeachment is impeachment. There has been no violation of the Constitution by the Democrats. Republicans have, though, violated their oaths to consider the evidence with an open mind. They obviously arrived at the hearings with the intent of defending President Trump, a strictly partisan action.
 
Hello Southern Chicken,

Southern Chicken said:
You speak as though you personally know the President. When was the last time he invited you to lunch or dinner?
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I always make it a point to learn as much as possible about our President. There has been quite a lot written about President Trump. Did you know that he was a bully as a schoolchild, and that he got into trouble for hitting a teacher?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Darth,



We have not gotten to the trial yet.

Impeachment is impeachment. There has been no violation of the Constitution by the Democrats. Republicans have, though, violated their oaths to consider the evidence with an open mind. They obviously arrived at the hearings with the intent of defending President Trump, a strictly partisan action.
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They haven’t actually done it yet, but if Democrats send articles to the Senate in spite of bipartisan opposition, they will have clearly violated the spirit of the constitution—in ways, Trump has yet to.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Southern Chicken,



I always make it a point to learn as much as possible about our President. There has been quite a lot written about President Trump. Did you know that he was a bully as a schoolchild, and that he got into trouble for hitting a teacher?
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Learn via written opinions doesn't give you personal knowledge of anyone. Did you know people grow up and change from the time they were in school as children?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Southern Chicken,



They were defending President Trump, not the Constitution.
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No, they have a different opinion as to what constitutes high crimes.

There were none and it was totally partisan and will soon come to an end in the Senate.

Once again, you and your radical, fanatical, Democrat Socialists will have lost.

Then the 2020 election will inform you of what the American people think of a bunch of losers in the House trying to remove a president that they elected,
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Southern Chicken,



They were defending President Trump, not the Constitution.
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You know both can be accomplished at the same time? Show us factual proof(not accusations)of the Republicans not following the constitution. Please cite the articles in the constitution that the house Republicans failed in compliance.
 
Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
They haven’t actually done it yet, but if Democrats send articles to the Senate in spite of bipartisan opposition, they will have clearly violated the spirit of the constitution—in ways, Trump has yet to.
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That is incorrect. When this impeachment goes to the Senate it will be in full compliance of the Constitution. And the proof of that is that Republicans will have no legal grounds to block it.
 
Hello Southern Chicken,

Southern Chicken said:
Learn via written opinions doesn't give you personal knowledge of anyone. Did you know people grow up and change from the time they were in school as children?
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I see your prejudiced view has this covered both ways - whether President Trump really was a bully as a schoolchild or not. That's how prejudice is determined. Your conclusion is the same no matter what the facts. They can be completely opposite, doesn't change your mind. That's prejudice.
 
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