Democrats lied, spied, persecuted, hoaxed, & rigged...but Trump is getting impeached?

Micawber said:
Applying the constitutional definition of “Bribery” here, there can be little doubt that it is satisfied. President Trump solicited President Zelensky for a “favor” of great personal value to him678; he did so corruptly679; and he did so in a scheme to influence his own official actions respecting the release of military and security assistance and the offer of a White House meeting.680
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No, it had little to no personal value. First, Biden is 1 of 20 Dems running. Second, he asked if Ukraine could look into abuses back in 2016. Which is precisely what the Obama admin and EU were asking Ukraine to do and pissed because guys like Shokin weren't 'doing enough'.

Next, there was no quid pro quo. The money was released on time. The money was released without the Ukrainian President committing to an investigation. Proof that it wasn't tied to that action. Next the Ukrainian President said there was no pressure on him from Trump (he was promptly called a liar by Democrats).

The person who DID threaten to withhold funds unless an action was taken... BIDEN. That is FACT.

Funny how you idiots suddenly care about protecting Ukraine. Obama refused to provide them weapons. Obama bent over for Russia and did nothing when the Russians took Crimea from Ukraine. Obama did nothing but show Putin how flexible he could be.
 
Arminius said:
Rooting out corruption is not just in our country's interests, it's required by law before releasing any funds. So of course. :laugh:
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If it was about 'corruption', you would have a point.
Since it's about a Political Rival, your statement is diversionary and only a device to excuse Trump's extortion attempt.
 
Superfreak said:
No, it had little to no personal value. First, Biden is 1 of 20 Dems running.
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Let's not blow past this point too fast. This is central in my opinion. I have watched Biden gaffe and molest his way into last place in every presidential race for DECADES straight. Just because he was one of numerous lunatic extremists running against Trump doesn't mean he had a shot in hell any more now than he did the last dozen or so times he ran. The total lack of probability that Biden's relentless stupidity and fascination with inappropriately touching little girls would get him into the White House should be a primary factor here, not just a passing thought. He was not a serious contender...just a corrupt politician taking bribes.

And all of this is spot-on. :hand:
 
Jack said:
If it was about 'corruption', you would have a point.
Since it's about a Political Rival, your statement is diversionary and only a device to excuse Trump's extortion attempt.
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You arbitrarily assigning motives to people doesn't make them valid. That's literally the definition of an invalid ad hominem fallacy. :palm:
Self-unaware, much? :laugh:

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Arminius said:
You arbitrarily assigning motives to people doesn't make them true. That's literally the definition of an invalid ad hominem fallacy. Self-unaware, much? Please, graduate grade school, already. :laugh:

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The average person could read the Transcript and come to a conclusion that Trump is extorting the Ukraine Leader.
--->this is like 'The Emperor has No Clothes' story<---
 
Jack said:
Funny how the 'Bidens' were mentioned. Out of a billion people, what a coincidence.
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Biden threatened to withhold funds unless Shokin was fired. He did PRECISELY what the Dems PRETEND Trump did.

Not a coincidence at all. The very investigations the Obama admin and EU wanted to get done were stopped by Biden. Because his kid was on the board of one of the most corrupt companies in Ukraine.
 
Arminius said:
I posted evidence. You posted more empty assurances that you're right, along with invalid ad hominem fallacies. I think we might be zeroing in on why you can't comprehend that there is literally zero evidence to this impeachment hoax. It seems to stem from a total unawareness of what counts as actual evidence.

Newsflash: Me presuming the intent behind something someone else said to someone about what someone else told them while I wasn't there...isn't evidence. It's total horse shit. That's all Democrats presented...and from discredited partisan hacks, no less.

THAT'S what you're taking at face value as gospel, while demanding that we be gullible and unthinking enough to do the same. :laugh:



Another invalid ad hominem fallacy. :dunno:

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When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser. And no, defending the Constitution, "our democracy," and the rule of law in no way "destroys my values," crack-smoker.

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Ah, the "I'm too good to come down to your level and prove my argument...so just take my word for it" defense. :rofl2:

Another brilliant and devastating comeback, Socrates. :hand:
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No fallacies involved. I am sure you know better than you post. You should be ashamed.
 
Superfreak said:
No, it had little to no personal value. First, Biden is 1 of 20 Dems running. Second, he asked if Ukraine could look into abuses back in 2016. Which is precisely what the Obama admin and EU were asking Ukraine to do and pissed because guys like Shokin weren't 'doing enough'.

Next, there was no quid pro quo. The money was released on time. The money was released without the Ukrainian President committing to an investigation. Proof that it wasn't tied to that action. Next the Ukrainian President said there was no pressure on him from Trump (he was promptly called a liar by Democrats).

The person who DID threaten to withhold funds unless an action was taken... BIDEN. That is FACT.

Funny how you idiots suddenly care about protecting Ukraine. Obama refused to provide them weapons. Obama bent over for Russia and did nothing when the Russians took Crimea from Ukraine. Obama did nothing but show Putin how flexible he could be.
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:thumbsup:
 
Jack said:
If it was about 'corruption', you would have a point.
Since it's about a Political Rival, your statement is diversionary and only a device to excuse Trump's extortion attempt.
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How is Biden a political rival of Trumps? Has he won the Democratic nomination? Of course he hasn't. Therefore, that lame talking point is DOA. :rolleyes:
 
Jack said:
The average person could read the Transcript and come to a conclusion that Trump is extorting the Ukraine Leader.
--->this is like 'The Emperor has No Clothes' story<---
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"Extorting the Ukraine leader," otherwise known as "conducting standard foreign policy." Was Obama "extorting" Iran with sanctions? No, of course not. Only ridiculous imbeciles and demagogues deliberately misinterpret business as usual as being something scandalous.
 
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Nordberg said:
No fallacies involved. I am sure you know better than you post. You should be ashamed.
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That's funny, because Post #32 shows you to be lying about this. And I quote, in your own words:

Nordberg said:
Literally you are wrong and happily lying to protect Trump. Are you being paid enough to destroy your values?
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^^^This is a clear and obvious ad hominem fallacy, dishonest demagogue. Anything else you'd care to lie about or are you good for now? :bs:

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You projecting your shameful dishonesty onto others won't get you around that provable fact. :dunno:
 
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