87 Senators Voted For Ukraine Aid, Objected to Halt, But Now Want No Evidence Why

PoliTalker said:
Hello anatta,



Handing over part of an ally goes unacceptably far beyond detente.

Besides fighting for Donbas, Crimea also needs to be properly reunited with Ukraine.
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ROFL.

You have no clues about Sevastopol then.
What you should be upset about is our meddling in the Ukraine Euomaidan,that forced the annexation for Sevastopol access

John McCain Went To Ukraine And Stood On Stage With A Man Accused Of Being An Anti-Semitic Neo-Nazi https://www.businessinsider.com/john-mccain-meets-oleh-tyahnybok-in-ukraine-2013-12
McCain has sometimes revealed a simplistic, Cold War viewpoint of Russia. You have to wonder if, by going to Ukraine and standing on stage with a man accused of being an anti-Semitic neo-Nazi, he may have shown that trait again.
 
I love how nut**bags can't see beyond their bias riddled hate for trump

so tell me OP,

suppose all the Senators and all of the reps vote to send Egypt 200 million dollars in aid, it's going through the usual channels, the CBO, etc and then suddenly Egypt bombs their own people, and it's uncovered that they just snuck a nuke into the GAZA strip with plans to detonate.

oh nooo, too late, already been approved, Trump can not stop the aid, must be a conspiracy if he doesn't,

anyone find it striking how eager the Democrats are willing to send hundreds of millions of our money off to foreign lands regardless if circumstance causes for pause sometimes
 
Earl said:
He is afraid to respond to me, Snowflake.
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No one is afraid of you SHIT FLAKE!

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Hello anatta,

anatta said:
Alaska was PURCHASED by the USA, and the populace wasn't Russian like Donbass.
we didn't war for the territory.

It's "notable" you prefer a hot war to a Cold War, and eschew detente' as well .

You have good company. damn near every Dem has become warmongers, even after bitching about Iraq.
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Any independent person of reason and loyalty to the USA would find themselves in the company of Democrats.

Republicans supported the military aid to Ukraine until Trump found out some Ukrainians saw through his alternative facts. Do they know they are at the whims of a petulant xenophobe?
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello anatta,



Any independent person of reason and loyalty to the USA would find themselves in the company of Democrats.

Republicans supported the military aid to Ukraine until Trump found out some Ukrainians saw through his alternative facts. Do they know they are at the whims of a petulant xenophobe?
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Democrats supported the 1 billion dollars in aid to Ukraine that was approved in December 2015, that the Biden and the Obama administration held up until 6 months later in June 2016.

none of this is registering with you is it?
 
Providing aid to Ukraine was so important to Republicans.

And then it wasn't.

Well, really, it still is. They just don't want to know why it was inexplicably suspended.

It's the new form of don't ask don't tell.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello anatta,



Any independent person of reason and loyalty to the USA would find themselves in the company of Democrats.

Republicans supported the military aid to Ukraine until Trump found out some Ukrainians saw through his alternative facts. Do they know they are at the whims of a petulant xenophobe?
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Anatta appears to have a better grasp ot the geo-politics of the Ukraine than you, Snowflake,
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello anatta,



Any independent person of reason and loyalty to the USA would find themselves in the company of Democrats.

Republicans supported the military aid to Ukraine until Trump found out some Ukrainians saw through his alternative facts. Do they know they are at the whims of a petulant xenophobe?
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Anatta appears to have a better grasp ot the geo-politics of the Ukraine than you, Snowflake,
 
"Don't ask, Don't tell"

Has now become ...

"Don't ask why the aid was halted, and Don't Tell the press how your really feel about Trump."
 
anatta said:
Donbass is basically Russian with Russian lingua franca, and industrial/economic ties to Russia.
The population that lives there is overwhelmingly Russian.
Let them settle their own border - us providing lethal arms actually prolongs the war.

We have a NATO presence in the Black Sea -any "incident" is a trip wire to war
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Donbass is traditionally majority ethnic Ukrainian, but many Ukranians there speak Russian as their primary language. In the same way large parts of Los Angeles county has Spanish as a primary language. Making Donbass a Russophilic region, but not majority ethnic Russian

You and the Kremlin unfortunately do not have the moral authority to wax poetic about the rights of independence movements in the former USSR. The Kremlin fought two brutal and bloody wars to keep the majority Muslim Chechens from establishing independence for the Chechen Republic
 
Cypress said:
Donbass is traditionally majority ethnic Ukrainian, but many Ukranians there speak Russian as their primary language. In the same way large parts of Los Angeles county has Spanish as a primary language. Making Donbass a Russophilic region, but not majority ethnic Russian
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if you say so,then Russians have to be very close in population. From what I know a lot of the population works in Russia as well. but "Russophillic" it is then
Whatever teh population the separatists won the vote - and whatever the value of the vote it's
certainly a BAD IDEA to prolong that war by arming the Ukriane militias.

If we've learned nothing else, then it's a bad mistake to get into foreign civil war
(like arming the FSA in Syria)

You and the Kremlin unfortunately do not have the moral authority to wax poetic about the rights of independence movements in the former USSR. The Kremlin fought two brutal and bloody wars to keep the majority Muslim Chechens from establishing independence for the Chechen Republic
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by now you should understand I do not do "moral authority" in foreign policy.
It's a bad addition to realpolitik the relationship is all that counts

This has been bad news since we meddled in the Euromaidan, effectively starting that police riot
which cause Poro. to threaten the lease, which caused the annexation,
which drove NATO into the middle of the Black Sea.

Get out of it. it's not our war. Obama had the best policy of defensive non-lethal weapons
 
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PoliTalker said:
87 Senators Voted For Ukraine Aid, Objected to Halt, But Now They Want No Evidence Why The Aid Was Withheld.

They asked about it, they expressed concern when they found out about the hold.

But everybody knows why they no longer care why the aid was withheld.

If they question it, they run afoul of President Trump.

And they are afraid to do that.

All the Republicans live in fear of being insulted on twitter by the President.

If the President goes against you, you are doomed in the Republican party. He rules by tweet.

Isn't it amazing the about-face turn-around the Republican Senate did on the Aid to Ukraine?

First they are for it, they approved it, they voted for it. Then, they were very concerned when it was withheld, very relieved when it was released.

And now they have an opportunity to vote to see evidence explaining exactly what happened, and they are turning it down.

No.

They don't want to see evidence.

Because Trump doesn't want them to.

Now, I ask you.

How many innocent individuals fight to keep evidence which might prove their innocence from being seen?

Innocent people don't do that. That's what GUILTY people do.

"Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell praised the Trump administration’s release of the funds, saying: “It would have been a mistake to hold back our assistance to the brave people of Ukraine. Doing so would have undermined our partners in Ukraine and Eastern Europe and further emboldened the Kremlin.”

It was one of several disputes recently between Trump and members of Congress, including some of his fellow Republicans as well as Democrats, over his administration’s decision to sidestep congressional approval to fund its own policy initiatives.

Lawmakers from both parties had said they expected Congress would pass legislation to reinstate the aid for Ukraine if the administration had not released the money. "

Reuters Sept 12 2019
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The aid wasn't halted you fucking liar. Can libs ever advance their anti-American agenda, without lying? Evidently not.
 
Hello anatta,

anatta said:
simplistic . Russian troops are not in Donbass.
It's much more a civil war between the Kyiv, and eastern factions (separatists)
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Yeah right. Not buyin it. It's common knowledge Russia is fighting Ukraine over that region. They took Crimea and they are trying to take Donbass. Why would anybody in their right mind want to be part of Russia when they could be in a free state with an exciting fresh new young anti-corruption government?

Must be some real high power propaganda at work there.
 
Obvious question, why was the plank condemning Russia's invasion of the Crimean removed from the Republican party platform? It is almost like trump owed Putin something.
 
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