Is Mitch playing Opossum?

Bolton is in the “selling book” mode.

Put him under oath, if he is even called.

Surely there were others in the meeting.

The Trump lawyers have presented a compelling case that there is no compelling case for impeachment, no matter what Bolton says.

The outcome is not in doubt.

Anyone on the planet thinks there are 20 Republicans who will vote for impeachment?

Failure ...again for the Democrats.
 
Nordberg said:
If you mean is Moscow lying, I would think so. He will not permit a vote on witnesses if he will lose.
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My feelings, too. If he truly does not have the votes, he will not allow the vote.

My guess is it may be iffy, right now...but my further guess is that he will get the caucus back in line. They CANNOT allow witnesses.

(The Democrats should be wary of witnesses also. Ya never know how that will turn out. But if I had a vote, I'd be voting FOR witnesses, no matter what.)
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
You seem to assume that (D)s don't want Biden's son subpoenaed. Personally I don't care. It will just make the (R)s look just like what they are -- desperate conspiracy-theory-believing jackboots willing to do *anything* to keep their Mango Messiah in power.
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Well, you’re personal opinion is irrelevant lol.

This is up to Senate Democrats and House managers.
 
I want Hunter and Joe and Schiiff along with the whistleblower on the stand, I don't care what Bolton has to say, we have already heard what Bolton is going to say, like 50 times, let him repeat it again
 
Current events suggest that the Democrats want old Uncle Joe Biden as their candidate.

If Hunter is called, under oath, there is major damage potential to Joe.

What to do, what to do.

It appears the the truth is a lonely rider.
 
Darth Omar said:
Well, you’re personal opinion is irrelevant lol.

This is up to Senate Democrats and House managers.
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Of course it's not up to me. I'm just letting you know how most of us on the left feel about calling non-material witnesses. Do it! It couldn't be any worse than the defense team's conspiracy theory malarkey we've already seen. Call him. It'll just make your guys look like the desperate straw-grabbers that they are.

There's no good way out of this for the (R)s where they get to keep the Toddler-in-chief. If they vote to acquit w/o witnesses they look like they are disregarding the rule of law and our Constitution. If they call witnesses (esp. Bolton) and then vote to acquit anyways, ditto. If they do the right thing and vote to remove TRE45ON then they have the wrath of you Trumpanzees to deal with. About the best they can do at this point is to put up a motion to censure but not remove.
 
I just like that Trump is about to win this, another, battle and the nut**bags are still in the process of accepting it.
acceptance is the first stage of healing :rofl2:
 
The Mujer de Buho appears to have forgotten this:

Harvard Law School Professor Emeritus Alan Dershowitz on Monday said that former national security adviser John Bolton’s reported account of President Trump tying Ukraine military aid to investigations into Democrats would not constitute an impeachable offense.

“If any president had done what The [New York] Times reported about the content of the Bolton manuscript, that would not constitute an impeachable offense,” Dershowitz said during lengthy remarks from the Senate floor Monday night.

“Let me repeat: Nothing in the Bolton revelations, even if true, would rise to the level of an abuse of power or an impeachable offense. That is clear from the history. That is clear from the language of the Constitution,” he continued.


"You cannot turn conduct that is not impeachable into impeachable conduct simply by using words like 'quid pro quo' and 'personal benefit,'" Dershowitz added.

The remarks represented the Trump legal team’s first explicit response to the explosive report that Trump told Bolton last August he wanted to continue to withhold military assistance to Ukraine until the country helped with investigations, including into former Vice President Joe Biden. Trump has denied telling Bolton that the military aid was tied to investigations into Democrats.”
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The rock and a hard place is sitting on the Democrats now.
 
The superb Trump defense team has made a compelling case that neither of the two Articles rise to the level of an impeachable offense, even if proven, which has not happened yet.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Of course it's not up to me. I'm just letting you know how most of us on the left feel about calling non-material witnesses. Do it! It couldn't be any worse than the defense team's conspiracy theory malarkey we've already seen. Call him. It'll just make your guys look like the desperate straw-grabbers that they are.

There's no good way out of this for the (R)s where they get to keep the Toddler-in-chief. If they vote to acquit w/o witnesses they look like they are disregarding the rule of law and our Constitution. If they call witnesses (esp. Bolton) and then vote to acquit anyways, ditto. If they do the right thing and vote to remove TRE45ON then they have the wrath of you Trumpanzees to deal with. About the best they can do at this point is to put up a motion to censure but not remove.
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Well, don’t be surprised/angry if Democrats [not you and your rabid buddies] try to finagle a way out of hearing witnesses lol.

Putting Hunter and co, under oath is a risky proposition. Made more so, by the fact nobody but John Bolton knows *exactly* what John Bolton is going to say or if it will be live up to the NYT hype. How many times has the NYT whiffed now? Too many times to count.

The witness swap isn’t exactly a no brainer for Democrats.
 
Earl said:
The superb Trump defense team has made a compelling case that neither of the two Articles rise to the level of an impeachable offense, even if proven, which has not happened yet.
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Outright dismissal of article two should be part of any witness deal.
 
Oh pleezze…...Myser Brier Fox (shitforbrains), don't ya dares toss us'n into dat Witness Bier Patch. …….IDIOTS. You've been herded like cattle into the exact trap you now find yourself. :laugh:

Reality: There will never be 67 senators vote to remove Mr. Trump from office. If you demand and get "more" witnesses that bring nothing to the table except more "policy" hearsay disagreements from fired disgruntled former employers....what do you think you are going to gain? You might drag this dog and phony show out a little more. But...ask yourself, who has the most to lose via bringing more witnesses into a national spotlight? What's going to be the end result when the defense calls, the Bidens, Shitforbrains staff, the whistle blower, the disgruntled state department witnesses who have already sworn under oath that Mr. Trump committed no crimes?

As I said, IDIOTS. :bigthink: TRUTH? A good liar had better have an extra ordinary "MEMORY". Personally I can't wait until the Defense demands all the Transcripts from the soviet style tribunal held in the basement of congress....the "1" Transcript that shiftforbrains is holding onto like it is attacked to his own nutsack……..the transcribed testimony of the IG, that was directly appointed by Obama...the one that was caught red handed "changing the whistle blower complaint form to include HEARSAY"....and then backdating it to early spring. Go ahead …..call your hearsay propaganda witnesses while the defense presents documented facts in evidence....a paper trail that Ray Charles could follow.....he's both dead and blind.
 
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Ralph said:
Oh pleezze…...Myser Brier Fox (shitforbrains), don't ya dares toss us'n into dat Witness Bier Patch. …….IDIOTS. You've been herded like cattle into the exact trap you now find yourself. :laugh:

Reality: There will never be 67 senators vote to remove Mr. Trump from office. If you demand and get "more" witnesses that bring nothing to the table except more "policy" hearsay disagreements from fired disgruntled former employers....what do you think you are going to gain? You might drag this dog and phony show out a little more. But...ask yourself, who has the most to lose via bringing more witnesses into a national spotlight? What's going to be the end result when the defense calls, the Bidens, Shitforbrains staff, the whistle blower, the disgruntled state department witnesses who have already sworn under oath that Mr. Trump committed no crimes?

As I said, IDIOTS. :bigthink: TRUTH? A good liar had better have an extra ordinary "MEMORY". Personally I can't wait until the Defense demands all the Transcripts from the soviet style tribunal held in the basement of congress....the "1" Transcript that shiftforbrains is holding onto like it is attacked to his own nutsack……..the transcribed testimony of the IG, that was directly appointed by Obama...the one that was caught red handed "changing the whistle blower complaint form to include HEARSAY"....and then backdating it to early spring. Go ahead …..call your hearsay propaganda witnesses while the defense presents documented facts in evidence.
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Then we will drag this dog and pony SHOW on till the election! Trump loves a good 'show'!!!
 
Centerleftfl said:
Then we will drag this dog and pony SHOW on till the election! Trump loves a good 'show'!!!
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And? :dunno: Did you see the MEGA rally in the left leaning state of N.J. Go for it.....do nothing but increase Trump's popularity. Priceless. :bigthink:

Reality: You might have the best liars on planet earth on the left....but can you really expect them to lie and be believed by THE PEOPLE over a 9 month period? The liar is only as good as the memory of the last lie told. The left is already stepping all over their own dicks in the first 24 hrs of the senate hearing (they made the Biden testimony Material to the impeachment by brining up the name over 400 times in less than 24 hours). Can you imagine what's going to happen over a 9 month period?


It sure will make for good entertainment. Popcorn?
 
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