plastic: a global environmental calamity

[anatta]

Yes, you can dispose of it easily. It goes into landfills, just like the rest of our garbage. It also burns. It's also food for bacteria. Don't chuck your garbage into the sea and you won't have to worry about seeing so much garbage at sea.

I throw my dead bodies into the landfill too after I chop them up to fit in the trash.
Trying to reduce the landfill route for recycling - there are difficulties in recycling some plastics.
I'm not a chemist -

The Asian countries are primarily dumping the plastic, but we send a lot of plastic over there for them to dump

Need more plastics to degrade better without the toxins

 

[Into the Night]

It's not illegal to grow in the U.S. now, mainly thanks to Trump. But there were times in our history when it was illegal to grow.

Nah. It's always been grown in the U.S. We've made hemp fibers for rope, textiles, paper, string, etc. throughout the history of the United States.

Most people don't buy it much anymore, since hemp rope shrinks in a wet/dry cycle, and breaks down in UV exposure unless you tar it (one of the less pleasant tasks on those tall sailing ships ). People instead tend to favor poly rope which doesn't stretch or shrink so bad, though it too breaks down in UV. It's cheaper than hemp rope too. Smaller sailing vessels also use poly ropes now, since they run smoothly through the blocks, despite the UV problem. Any running rigging should be checked regularly anyway. I use poly for tying down my aircraft, changing it out at the end of summer (and it's high UV) so it doesn't snap in the winter storms. It's cheap insurance.

 

[Into the Night]

this isn't chlorine and salts.
the small particles are the soup.

Plastic breaks down in to it's components (typically chlorine and various salts). It depends on the plastic what components you get out of it.
PVC for example, breaks down into water, carbon dioxide, and sodium chloride (the salt you use on your food to season it).
ABS breaks down into pretty much the same kind of things, with some ammonium chloride as one the salts you get.
Styrene plastics also break down into pretty much the same components as PVC.
The bacteria also produce a bit of methane in the process. That just vents off.

There is no magick 'soup' as you describe.

 

[Into the Night]

I throw my dead bodies into the landfill too after I chop them up to fit in the trash.

That's thoughtful of you. The landfill operators won't recognize the dead body if you are thorough enough.

Trying to reduce the landfill route for recycling

Landfills don't recycle. They are landfills.

- there are difficulties in recycling some plastics.

Throw them in the trash. It's perfectly safe landfill material.

I'm not a chemist -

Obvious. Fortunately, I am (among other things).

The Asian countries are primarily dumping the plastic, but we send a lot of plastic over there for them to dump

Actually, we don't. It's too costly to ship them around like that. We just put 'em in the landfill.

Need more plastics to degrade better without the toxins

You seem to have an unnatural fear of the word 'toxin'. This stuff isn't plutonium, you know.

 

[anatta]

Plastic breaks down in to it's components (typically chlorine and various salts). It depends on the plastic what components you get out of it.
PVC for example, breaks down into water, carbon dioxide, and sodium chloride (the salt you use on your food to season it).
ABS breaks down into pretty much the same kind of things, with some ammonium chloride as one the salts you get.
Styrene plastics also break down into pretty much the same components as PVC.
The bacteria also produce a bit of methane in the process. That just vents off.

There is no magick 'soup' as you describe.

I meant "not just salts",. debating you is a colossal waste of time. you throw stuff out there without cites, you just make your points an completely ignore the articles /OP, like I just quoted

I'm sorry, but I do not take you as an oracle - especially when your view are outliers and not sourced

 

[anatta]

Actually, we don't. It's too costly to ship them around like that. We just put 'em in the landfill.

157,000 Shipping Containers of U.S. Plastic Waste Exported to Countries with Poor Waste Management in 2018https://www.plasticpollutioncoaliti...-countries-with-poor-waste-management-in-2018

You seem to have an unnatural fear of the word 'toxin'. This stuff isn't plutonium, you know.

toxic to sea life as the article says

 

[Cancel 2020.1]

We couldn't get to the Moon without plastics. NASA currently can't even get a manned rocket off the ground, much less to the Moon or anything. The Shuttle is retired, and it couldn't leave Earth orbit. (Oh...it required plastics to function as well).

The point is, humans can do anything we want to, if we set our minds to it.

 

[anatta]

All the ways I failed miserably trying to live plastic-free for a week
https://www.latimes.com/lifestyle/story/2020-03-05/plastic-free-week?utm_source=pocket-newtab
The book, by Greenpeace U.K.'s head of oceans, Will McCallum, told an ecological horror story about seas choked with plastic straws and single-use grocery bags. It also offered the “simple steps” of how to eliminate plastic items from your office space, kitchen and bathroom. I’d never considered buying toothpaste without a plastic tube. Now it felt like a moral imperative. ...... (much more)

 

[Legion]

The point is, humans can do anything we want to, if we set our minds to it.

You mean the government doesn't have to do everything for us?/s

 

[Legion]

I throw my dead bodies into the landfill too after I chop them up to fit in the trash.

 

[Bigdog]

I throw my dead bodies into the landfill too after I chop them up to fit in the trash.
Trying to reduce the landfill route for recycling - there are difficulties in recycling some plastics.
I'm not a chemist -

The Asian countries are primarily dumping the plastic, but we send a lot of plastic over there for them to dump

Need more plastics to degrade better without the toxins

The Chinese know we got the good stuff. High quality, man. :0) Not like that cheap Chinese junk they get over there.

 

[Bigdog]

The point is, humans can do anything we want to, if we set our minds to it.

It's other countries that are the problem. You can't blame Whitey.

They need anti-litter campaigns. They need a crying Indian.

 

[Micawber]

No, I said county attempt.

Conservatives and Republicans in my area fought tooth and nail against attempts to ban plastic bags and to limit plastic straws.

If you support Republicans, you are actually part of the problem when it comes to plastic pollution of the oceans.

Truth. I started a thread like this months before gnat started this.

 

[Sailor]

None. There is no 'garbage patch' in any ocean.

STFU you landlubbing dumbfuck. Get out of your mothers basement.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

3D printing typically uses PVA, a food grade plastic that easily decomposes in hot water or by exposure to UV. ABS is a tougher plastic (also used for sewer pipes) because of it's longer polymer. Left exposed, it will break down just like any plastic, though it takes a lot longer than plastics used for packaging, where the problem with garbage in the ocean lies.

Dispose of your plastics in the trash. It's perfectly safe landfill material.

3D printing has become so common place, that Fantasy gamers are using it to print miniatures instead of using lead or other mediums.

Plus; it's gotten so advanced that I know of one company that in August is going to be offering characters, you design, where the buyer can choose what color(s) they want on what clothing the character is dressed in and what items they are carrying.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I throw my dead bodies into the landfill too after I chop them up to fit in the trash.
Trying to reduce the landfill route for recycling - there are difficulties in recycling some plastics.
I'm not a chemist -

The Asian countries are primarily dumping the plastic, but we send a lot of plastic over there for them to dump

Need more plastics to degrade better without the toxins

A Sawzall is better, then chopping them up.

 

[Bigdog]

Nah. It's always been grown in the U.S. We've made hemp fibers for rope, textiles, paper, string, etc. throughout the history of the United States.

Most people don't buy it much anymore, since hemp rope shrinks in a wet/dry cycle, and breaks down in UV exposure unless you tar it (one of the less pleasant tasks on those tall sailing ships ). People instead tend to favor poly rope which doesn't stretch or shrink so bad, though it too breaks down in UV. It's cheaper than hemp rope too. Smaller sailing vessels also use poly ropes now, since they run smoothly through the blocks, despite the UV problem. Any running rigging should be checked regularly anyway. I use poly for tying down my aircraft, changing it out at the end of summer (and it's high UV) so it doesn't snap in the winter storms. It's cheap insurance.

Good info. Tarring? ... makes sense now that you said it. I thought poly rope was good for 5 or more years.

" For decades, federal law did not differentiate hemp from other cannabis plants, all of which were effectively made illegal in 1937 under the Marihuana Tax Act and formally made illegal in 1970 under the Controlled Substances Act—the latter banned cannabis of any kind."

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2018/12/14/the-farm-bill-hemp-and-cbd-explainer/

 

[Into the Night]

No, they are not. Lots of products do not have to use plastics. that is a fact. Show someone whining about that. Damn rightys make shit up and lie.

Yes you are. Computers would not work without plastics. Neither would the telecommunications systems that make up the internet.

 

[Into the Night]

I meant "not just salts",.

I did. Wandering off and putting words in peoples mouths doesn't work.

debating you is a colossal waste of time.

You are not debating. You are preaching.

you throw stuff out there without cites,

Chemistry is the cite, twit. Learn chemistry.

you just make your points an completely ignore the articles /OP, like I just quoted

I am responding to your post, not the OP.

I'm sorry, but I do not take you as an oracle -

Obvious. Neither do you need to. Denying chemistry, however, is foolish.

especially when your view are outliers and not sourced

Mantra 35b1...4e. This kind of mantra is so often used I just number them now. You can see the whole list here.

 

[Into the Night]

157,000 Shipping Containers of U.S. Plastic Waste Exported to Countries with Poor Waste Management in 2018https://www.plasticpollutioncoaliti...-countries-with-poor-waste-management-in-2018

toxic to sea life as the article says

Quoting propaganda doesn't work either. Normally I delete Holy Links like this. Mantra 4a.