54% Say Administration Is Major Source Of Corona Misinformation

[PoliTalker]

Hello BartenderElite,

By any objective measure, the admin's messaging has been woeful.

Wishful thinking CANNOT BE POLICY. It's okay to think that way - it's not okay to base crucial decisions on what you hope.

The term 'Out to lunch' comes to mind when thinking of the response from stable genius.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Bourbon,

HERE IS THE ENTIRE PANDEMIC PLAYBOOK LEFT BY OBAMA:

Ronald Klain
✔@RonaldKlain

https://twitter.com/x/status/1260234681573937155

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THIS IS THE ENTIRE DOCUMENT: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6819258-Playbook.html#document/p2

Wow. It outlines exactly how the crisis should be handled. Too bad stable genius totally ignored the entire section on page 67, describing 3 Key Questions.

"#3. What are the messages to convey to the public regarding risk, preparations and the availability of MCM? (Medical Counter Measures)"

Naturally, our stable genius decided the answer to question 3 was all about how the crisis affected his reelection chances, and nothing else.

That Playbook should be the subject of a thread on it's own.

 

[Walt]

What problem? A 0.00135% infection rate is not a problem. A 0.000274% death rate is not a problem. I am healthy. I am not infected. According to the CDC numbers, you have a 1 in 336300 chance of even contracting the virus.

Night keeps posting very strange numbers as if they are facts. There are about 320 million Americans, for his numbers to be correct, only about a 1,000 or 4,000 Americans(he gives two wildly different numbers) will catch Covid-19, and less than 1,000 Americans will die. We can be absolutely sure those numbers are off by a hundred, a thousand fold, or more.

What are his chances of dying from it, or passing it on to others to die from... I am not sure, but given how wrong he is about the numbers for everyone else, we can be sure he is wrong about himself.

Masks don't stop viruses.

Masks have been very effective at stopping viruses in the past. There are studies with other viruses that prove that. There are preliminary studies with Covid-19 that prove the same.

Remember, all you have to do is catch the droplets that the virus rides on, an you have stopped the virus.

 

[Earl]

Hello Bourbon,



Wow. It outlines exactly how the crisis should be handled. Too bad stable genius totally ignored the entire section on page 67, describing 3 Key Questions.

"#3. What are the messages to convey to the public regarding risk, preparations and the availability of MCM? (Medical Counter Measures)"

Naturally, our stable genius decided the answer to question 3 was all about how the crisis affected his reelection chances, and nothing else.

That Playbook should be the subject of a thread on it's own.

PoliTalker:

"Dive, market, DIVE!

Take DT down with you.


02-28-2020, 06:47 AM #5 | Top
PoliTalker


"Sometimes things have to get worse before they can get better.

We're going down.

BZZZZZT! BZZZZZT! BZZZZZT!

Dive! Dive! Dive!"

 

[gfm7175]

Awesome, another selfish Trump Cult member chimes in and confesses that he is uninterested in protecting his fellow citizens. We already knew that pal. Thanks for nothing.

Why are you so afraid of a flu virus? Obviously you lack knowledge about immunology and virology...

 

[gfm7175]

Where did you see hikers wearing masks??

Devil's Lake State Park, for starters.

You hike??

Most weekends (weather permitting).

Although not many, I have seen ppl wearing masks on the trails...

My point exactly. In my few years of regular hiking, I have never once seen anyone wearing a mask while hiking until recently.

In Spring mostly because of pollen & dust (many trails w/ bikes are very dusty)@ lower elevation levels & because of smoke from the many fires we have had here in Calif.......

The SOTC needs to manage their forests better so that fires like that wouldn't be an issue. We actually manage our land here in Wisconsin.

 

[Concart]

Why are you so afraid of a flu virus? Obviously you lack knowledge about immunology and virology...

Well, I apparently know more than you. This is not an influenza virus. Next?

 

[Nordberg]

What problem? A 0.00135% infection rate is not a problem. A 0.000274% death rate is not a problem. I am healthy. I am not infected.

I am not infected. Masks don't stop viruses.

No, I use them when I need to, which is generally when sanding or other dusty work. They offer good protection there.

Inversion fallacy.

No. I use them when I need them. A mask won't stop a virus.

Inversion fallacy. N95 masks won't stop a virus. Cloth masks won't stop a virus either (but it does let you wear a bandana in the bank when withdrawing your money! ). 6 feet does not stop a virus.

This is mass hypochondria, induced by the Democrats and the fake news. This is the hoax.

According to the CDC numbers, you have a 1 in 336300 chance of even contracting the virus. Pretty good odds, if you ask me. The odds are 1 in 7 that you will be involved in an auto accident within the next year if you drive a car (Source: Dept of Transportation, US government).

There is no epidemic. There is no pandemic. There is not even a situation. The numbers of infected are just not high enough to qualify as any of the three. The infection rate is going down, too...not a vaccine in sight!

Placing healthy people under house arrest on a mass scale is unconstitutional. The governors that did this are directly responsible. Some of them are getting sued now, and successfully.

The point is the vehicle the virus rides on is hampered by a mask. Your droplets of water in exhaling and sneezing are kept in.. Otherwise, they can float in the air and land on common surfaces.. Yes indeed, masks are an important component in inhibiting the virus spread.

 

[Into the Night]

Night keeps posting very strange numbers as if they are facts.

The numbers are sourced from the CDC and the U.S. Census data.

There are about 320 million Americans, for his numbers to be correct, only about a 1,000 or 4,000 Americans(he gives two wildly different numbers) will catch Covid-19, and less than 1,000 Americans will die.

Base rate fallacy. Totals are not rate.

We can be absolutely sure those numbers are off by a hundred, a thousand fold, or more.

Nope. It's the math, using the numbers from the CDC and the U.S. Census data.

What are his chances of dying from it, or passing it on to others to die from... I am not sure, but given how wrong he is about the numbers for everyone else, we can be sure he is wrong about himself.

The chances of my passing Covid-19 to someone else is zero. I do not have it.

Masks have been very effective at stopping viruses in the past.

N95 masks do not stop viruses. Neither do cloth ones. 6 feet does not stop a virus either.

There are studies with other viruses that prove that.

A study is not a proof. Attempted proof by void. N95 masks do not have pores small enough to stop viruses.

There are preliminary studies with Covid-19 that prove the same.

Attempted proof by void.

Remember, all you have to do is catch the droplets that the virus rides on, an you have stopped the virus.

Airborne viruses do not require droplets to ride upon. Covid-19 can survive intact in open dry air for several hours. Healthy people are not infecting others with Covid-19.

A mask will not prevent you from getting infected. They are useless for this purpose. Source: N95 specifications
6 feet will not prevent you from getting infected. This 'social distancing' is useless.

 

[LV426]

The point is the vehicle the virus rides on is hampered by a mask. Your droplets of water in exhaling and sneezing are kept in.. Otherwise, they can float in the air and land on common surfaces.. Yes indeed, masks are an important component in inhibiting the virus spread.

They're all hopped up on masks because that was the topic du jour on Fox News the last night or so.

The Conservative Grievance Complex is like a perpetual motion machine of diarrhea.

 

[Into the Night]

Devil's Lake State Park, for starters.


Most weekends (weather permitting).


My point exactly. In my few years of regular hiking, I have never once seen anyone wearing a mask while hiking until recently.


The SOTC needs to manage their forests better so that fires like that wouldn't be an issue. We actually manage our land here in Wisconsin.

Most of what burns in the SOTC is grasslands, but it does get into the forests as well. You are, however essentially correct. Managing the grass and vegetation around cities and towns as has been done in the past would do a lot to stop fires from destroying said cities and towns.

 

[Into the Night]

Well, I apparently know more than you. This is not an influenza virus. Next?

It is not an influenza virus, but it is the flu. If you want to go change the definition of 'flu', talk the the CDC and to WHO. They both call Covid viruses 'the flu'.

 

[Into the Night]

The point is the vehicle the virus rides on is hampered by a mask. Your droplets of water in exhaling and sneezing are kept in.. Otherwise, they can float in the air and land on common surfaces.. Yes indeed, masks are an important component in inhibiting the virus spread.

There is no virus riding on anything from a healthy person. Airborne viruses, such as Covid-19, do not require moisture to be transmitted through the air.
N95 masks do not stop a virus. A mask will not protect you from catching Covid-19. It just makes you look like a hypochondriac dork.

I've seen some even sillier stuff:
* plastic bags taped over ATM machines. Apparently the plastic bag magickally protects the surface of itself from the virus, as opposed to the plastic keys on the ATM machine.
* people wearing nitril gloves, then touching a surface and their face with them on.
* people washing their masks in alcohol or a peroxide, then wearing them. (DANGEROUS!)
* plastic sheets installed between you and a teller, with plenty of holes in them to conduct transactions. They do nothing.
* one-way signs on floor aisles, which most people ignore; as if people moving in both directions is any different than people moving in the same direction.
* stacking people in long lines, with at most 6 feet between them (6 feet does not stop a virus), then again inside the store.
* arbitrary lists of which businesses are 'essential'. The virus doesn't care. Really.
* closing open spaces and parks, forcing everyone to park on the street, creating dangerous traffic situations.
* banning the use of wilderness areas (you catch Covid-19 from hunting or fishing???).
* listing cancer deaths as Covid-19 deaths by the county coroner.
* the use of bandannas in banks to withdraw money, and it's acceptable by the bank because it's a mask.
* the way people walk by each other as if they were trying to avoid catching The Plague.
* panic buying over unrelated items. (What has toilet paper or canned chile got to do with Covid-19???)

 

[Concart]

It is not an influenza virus, but it is the flu. If you want to go change the definition of 'flu', talk the the CDC and to WHO. They both call Covid viruses 'the flu'.

No they didn't. 'Flu' is just shorthand for influenza. This is not influenza, it is not the flu, and no health organization referred to it as such.

 

[Walt]

Why are you so afraid of a flu virus? Obviously you lack knowledge about immunology and virology...

Covid-19 is not a flu virus. It is not only a different species of virus, it is in a totally different family of species. It is like confusing a elephant and a bumble bee. There are some dangerous strains of flu viruses out there, and there are many other viruses out there of danger.

I am no immunologist or virologist, and even they do not have all the answers. But we can see that you are a fake, and your answers are complete nonsense.

 

[Walt]

The numbers are sourced from the CDC and the U.S. Census data...Nope. It's the math, using the numbers from the CDC and the U.S. Census data.

Honestly, it really is not. Using your numbers we would only have a 4,000 or 1,000 dead (your claims are not even consistent on that), and only 1,000 people with the illness. I think maybe you did not multiple by 100 to get percent, but there appear to be other mistakes in there making it hard to see where you went wrong.

So you make some huge math mistakes, and then go on to claim the numbers are predictions rather than so far. If so far, 0.0274% of Americans have died (not 0.000274%), that does not mean you only have a 0.0274% chance of dying. It means you had a 0.0274% chance so far, and have an unknown chance in the future.

A mask will not prevent you from getting infected. They are useless for this purpose. Source: N95 specifications 6 feet will not prevent you from getting infected. This 'social distancing' is useless.

Getting the math wrong makes me think that you are getting this wrong too. And your high confidence about things the real experts are unsure of makes me know you are wrong.

There are peer reviewed studies showing a huge reductions in transmission of influenza, and Coronaviruses with even simple masks. And there are preliminary studies showing huge reductions in transmission of this particular strain of Coronavirus with even simple masks. It is mostly about preventing infections of others.

There is a high degree of confidence that masks and social distancing helps. There is not a complete knowledge of how much it helps.

 

[Walt]

It is not an influenza virus, but it is the flu. If you want to go change the definition of 'flu', talk the the CDC and to WHO. They both call Covid viruses 'the flu'.

Covid-19 is not a flu. It has some similar symptoms, but also many very different symptoms. The CDC and the WHO are not calling it a flu.

Night is a veritable fount of misinformation.

 

[Walt]

N95 masks do not stop a virus. A mask will not protect you from catching Covid-19. It just makes you look like a hypochondriac dork.

Hear that folks, doctors have been wearing masks in surgeries for over a century just because they are "hypochondriac dorks". In the real world, surgical masks reduce transmission, and N95 masks protect the wearer.

plastic bags taped over ATM machines. Apparently the plastic bag magickally protects the surface of itself from the virus, as opposed to the plastic keys on the ATM machine.

Viruses are good at hiding in the cracks from cleaning. Giving a smooth surface makes cleaning easier. Also the plastic can just be thrown out.

people wearing nitril gloves, then touching a surface and their face with them on.

Yes, that is a mistake.

people washing their masks in alcohol or a peroxide, then wearing them. (DANGEROUS!)

If they dry before using, not dangerous.

plastic sheets installed between you and a teller, with plenty of holes in them to conduct transactions. They do nothing.

Does a lot.

one-way signs on floor aisles, which most people ignore; as if people moving in both directions is any different than people moving in the same direction.

Moving in one direction allows for social distancing. It is possible to keep 6 feet apart if people are moving in one direction down an isle, but not if they are passing each other.

stacking people in long lines, with at most 6 feet between them (6 feet does not stop a virus), then again inside the store.

While 6 feet of distancing does mean the line takes up more length space wise, it does not make the actual line longer number of waiting people wise. 6 feet or more makes a real difference in infections rates.

arbitrary lists of which businesses are 'essential'. The virus doesn't care. Really.

Humans care what is essential and what is not.

I am losing interest in you. If you will admit you were wrong on many of your previous posts, we can start talking again.

 

[Walt]

No they didn't. 'Flu' is just shorthand for influenza. This is not influenza, it is not the flu, and no health organization referred to it as such.

If you want a quick way to find out if someone is a quack: if they refer to Covid-19 as a flu, they have no basis in science.

 

[Into the Night]

No they didn't. 'Flu' is just shorthand for influenza. This is not influenza, it is not the flu, and no health organization referred to it as such.

Yes they did, Katz.