End of the line for noted traitor Robert E Lee

The goal is to rub out history, because a people who dont know their history are easier to control. As monuments are taken down shrines to the heros of the day, the victims, will be erected.
 
Celticguy said:
Not so fast.
Now a 2nd lawsuit regarding the General.
Gov Blackface should have done his homework.
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You are on the wrong side of history, jack.

The horse had left the barn; we have reached the tipping point of no return.

No delay actions, no lawsuits, no fighting retreats are going to change the long term trajectory of what's going on here.

Statues of Confederate traitors are going to continue to be pulled down and consigned to the dustbin of history. In ten years, I would be surprised if there are more than a few remaining dead ender statues of these enemy combatants left on public property.
 
Cypress said:
You are on the wrong side of history, jack.

The horse had left the barn; we have reached the tipping point of no return.

No delay actions, no lawsuits, no fighting retreats are going to change the long term trajectory of what's going on here.

Statues of Confederate traitors are going to continue to be pulled down and consigned to the dustbin of history. In ten years, I would be surprised if there are more than a few remaining dead ender statues of these enemy combatants left on public property.
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History is just facts, has no sides.
You can go through life with blinders but most chose not to be blind.
 
Sailor said:
Right on the money.
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I heard someone say this a couple of years ago..... what is behind the ramping up of removing history from our spaces, which follows the schools largely ending the teaching of history, substituting for it Woke indoctrination....but annoyingly I cant remember who it was.

It is my own fault....I tend to remember ideas not speakers.
 
Celticguy said:
History is just facts, has no sides.
You can go through life with blinders but most chose not to be blind.
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these statues are going to continue to be pulled down,, and if you and other Neoconfederates actually had a compelling and convincing case to make, you would not be losing on this issue.
 
When did statues become about "teaching history?"

If someone wanted to put a statue of Stalin in your town's square, would you support that? He's a pretty important figure in history, after all.
 
BartenderElite said:
When did statues become about "teaching history?"

If someone wanted to put a statue of Stalin in your town's square, would you support that? He's a pretty important figure in history, after all.
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Some statues are there to remind people of mistakes made in history. They are not all there to honor them.
 
moon said:
There will never be a ' Greater Izrael '. The acquisition of territory by force is illegal. Izraelis are criminals and Zionism is,was and always will be known as a doctrine of ethnic cleansing.
Ethnic cleansing is illegal. Your fascists don't actually have a lot going for them, do they, apart from American support ( contrary to USA UN membership pledges ) and that their victims are virtually unarmed.
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What do you propose? Nuke them from orbit? Round them up and concentrate them in camps for "re-education" and labor to pay off 80 years of reparations?
 
BartenderElite said:
When did statues become about "teaching history?"

If someone wanted to put a statue of Stalin in your town's square, would you support that? He's a pretty important figure in history, after all.
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Stalin wasn't an American. General Robert E. Lee was. His monument was there for years and years.
 
RB 60 said:
Stalin wasn't an American. General Robert E. Lee was. His monument was there for years and years.
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We're talking about teaching history.

I just don't get it. When I think of erecting a statue for someone, it's usually to honor them, and what they've achieved. Are there really examples where we put up statues just for the purpose of teaching history, without honoring the subject of the statue?

Lee might have been a decent human being overall (for that time period) - but the bottom line is that he fought for slavery. Is it really such a stretch for people to think that A) statues are there to honor people, and B) keeping a statue of Lee up at least implies some support of the cause for which he fought?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
What do you propose? Nuke them from orbit? Round them up and concentrate them in camps for "re-education" and labor to pay off 80 years of reparations?
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I think moon needs to hook up with a nice, respectable space alien. It would do him/her/it? a world of good, actually an INTERGALACTIC world of good!
 
BartenderElite said:
When did statues become about "teaching history?"

If someone wanted to put a statue of Stalin in your town's square, would you support that? He's a pretty important figure in history, after all.
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Well, Stalin isn’t relevant lol.

Here’s a for example: WV is the only state to declare its independence from the confederacy but since WV was actually VA during the civil war there were people who fought either side.

Devil Anse Hatfield fought for the South while McCoy fought for the North. It’s actually interesting history. So, while a monument to Stonewall Jackson may be offensive to some—to others, it could provide a teaching moment and a remembrance, that the state was divided during the Civil War. Of course, all of that gets thrown out the window in our present ‘easily offended’ culture.

There is no ‘deeper meaning’ to it.
 
Sailor said:
Some statues are there to remind people of mistakes made in history. They are not all there to honor them.
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Well said and agreed. Is England toppling historical markers? Heck, they celebrate Guy Fawkes Night every year. They embrace their history, warts and all.
 
Darth Omar said:
Well, Stalin isn’t relevant lol.

Here’s a for example: WV is the only state to declare its independence from the confederacy but since WV was actually VA during the civil war there were people who fought either side.

Devil Anse Hatfield fought for the South while McCoy fought for the North. It’s actually interesting history. So, while a monument to Stonewall Jackson may be offensive to some—to others, it could provide a teaching moment and a remembrance, that the state was divided during the Civil War. Of course, all of that gets thrown out the window in our present ‘easily offended’ culture.

There is no ‘deeper meaning’ to it.
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The "easily offended" culture? You mean the crew that gets so outraged by players kneeling for 2 minutes that they announce righteously that they'll never watch a sport again?
 
Cypress said:
You are on the wrong side of history, jack.

The horse had left the barn; we have reached the tipping point of no return.

No delay actions, no lawsuits, no fighting retreats are going to change the long term trajectory of what's going on here.

Statues of Confederate traitors are going to continue to be pulled down and consigned to the dustbin of history. In ten years, I would be surprised if there are more than a few remaining dead ender statues of these enemy combatants left on public property.
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Maybe so, but reducing the history of slavery in the Americas to a footnote the wrong path. Same for divisive ideologies.
 
BartenderElite said:
Should Penn State have kept the statue of Joe Paterno up outside the stadium?
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No. All Bill Clinton statues and things named for him should also be removed.

Do you understand the difference between sexual predators and the men and women who supported their respective countries in war?
 
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