End of the line for noted traitor Robert E Lee

Hello Cypress,

Cypress said:
these statues are going to continue to be pulled down,, and if you and other Neoconfederates actually had a compelling and convincing case to make, you would not be losing on this issue.
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We are still in the process of recovering from the Civil War and slavery. It haunts us now and until we make right by it.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Do you really believe the efforts to revise history are coming from Trump? The Republicans? Or do you think it's more likely it's coming from the Democrats in the states those posts are located?
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I am not a mind reader.

I think it is possible a Trump-appointed general could reach the conclusion that honoring Confederate generals is detrimental to force moral and modern US Army principles.

If you make the case that this general is caving to pressure from Antifa et al, you are welcome to your opinion.

If anyone is actually genuinely interested in history, I recommend reading books on General Lee, taking classes on the Confereracy, and I would even like to see reputable museums on the history of the civil war.

Personally, I do not learn that much history by looking at a statue. And I have always questioned if the movement to erect and preserve monuments to Confederate generals really grew out of a genuine scholarly interest in history -- or if there were ulterior motives for fetishizing the Confederate military leadership.
 
The alt right loves to ad hom their opponents, particularly when they have nothing on a subject, yet cry when the favor is returned.

I do think names like Fort Benning and Fort Bragg and Fort Hood, among others, are detrimental to the good order and discipline of the Army.

Change them, please, very quickly.
 
jimmymccready said:
The alt right loves to ad hom their opponents, particularly when they have nothing on a subject, yet cry when the favor is returned.

I do think names like Fort Benning and Fort Bragg and Fort Hood, among others, are detrimental to the good order and discipline of the Army.

Change them, please, very quickly.
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Change them to what, snowflake?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Wow, the antisemitism is strong in you.

Sooooo, what is your final solution to the "Izraeli problem"?
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That's not ' antisemitism- that's anti-Zionism, Zionism being a doctrine of ethnic cleansing.
Zionism and Judaism are NOT synonymous. There are more Christian Zionists in America than there are Jews.

The solution to the problem of the Zionist High Command and its stormtroopers is INTERNATIONAL LAW. I've put that in caps because you seem unaware of it.

You're also clearly unaware that a great many IZRAELIS believe that Izrael is racist- and they LOVE it.
 
moon said:
That's not ' antisemitism- that's anti-Zionism, Zionism being a doctrine of ethnic cleansing.
Zionism and Judaism are NOT synonymous. There are more Christian Zionists in America than there are Jews.

The solution to the problem of the Zionist High Command and its stormtroopers is INTERNATIONAL LAW. I've put that in caps because you seem unaware of it.

You're also clearly unaware that a great many IZRAELIS believe that Izrael is racist- and they LOVE it.
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I'll be damned if I submit to any "International Law." Keep your stupid foreign bullshit laws in your own country, stupid foreigner.
 
RB 60 said:
Sherman was a foreign enemy? Was a dictator of countries like Hitler and Stalin? That's news to me :thinking:
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I wouldn't compare Lee to Hitler, but the Confederate States of America claimed to be an independent nation that was waging war against the United States.

And the system Lee fought to defend - a chattel slavery economy based on the enslavement, rape, and torture of millions of people - was every bit as evil as Stalin's Gulag.
 
RB 60 said:
I'll be damned if I submit to any "International Law." Keep your stupid foreign bullshit laws in your own country, stupid foreigner.
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You're subject to international law every moment of the day and night, dumbass paleface. Go home. America has enough stupid.
 
Cypress said:
I wouldn't compare Lee to Hitler, but the Confederate States of America claimed to be an independent nation that was waging war against the United States.

And the system Lee fought to defend - a chattel slavery economy based on the enslavement, rape, and torture of millions of people - was every bit as evil as Stalin's Gulag.
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After the war was over, Lee was an honorable man.
Yep, we all (well most) know the history behind the Civil War. Slavery wasn't the only reason. Why do you want to remove the reminders of what should never happen in this country again? Are you "offended"?
 
moon said:
You're subject to international law every moment of the day and night, dumbass paleface. Go home. America has enough stupid.
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I am? And I am home, stupid foreigner. Yes, America has those on the left who are stupid, just like you.
 
RB 60 said:
After the war was over, Lee was an honorable man.
Yep, we all (well most) know the history behind the Civil War. Slavery wasn't the only reason. Why do you want to remove the reminders of what should never happen in this country again? Are you "offended"?
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Statues aren't erected as reminders of what should never happen again. That's not the intent. Unless I've missed that.

A lot of the confederate statues were actually put up by sore losers who still wanted a way to convey white supremacy. Are we supposed to ignore that intent?
 
RB 60 said:
After the war was over, Lee was an honorable man.
Yep, we all (well most) know the history behind the Civil War. Slavery wasn't the only reason. Why do you want to remove the reminders of what should never happen in this country again? Are you "offended"?
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The fact that Lee helped little old ladies across the street after the war does almost nothing to excuse the conscious moral choice he made to kill thousands of American soldiers and to fight in defense of the enslavement of millions in a chattel slavery economy.

Monuments of Confederate generals were not put up as a cautionary tale, a symbol that we should never forget.

If southerners really were interested in erecting monuments dedicated to learning the lessons of the civil war, they would have put up statues of Frederick Douglass and Sojourner Truth, rather than Robert E Lee and Nathan Bedford Forrest
 
Cypress said:
Virginia governor to announce removal of noted traitor and enemy combatant's statue

RICHMOND, Va. (AP) — Virginia Gov. Ralph Northam is expected to announce plans Thursday to remove one of the country’s most iconic monuments to the Confederacy, a statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee along Richmond’s prominent Monument Avenue, a senior administration official told The Associated Press.

The move would be an extraordinary victory for civil rights activists, whose calls for the removal of that monument and others in this former capital of the Confederacy have been resisted for years.

“That is a symbol for so many people, black and otherwise, of a time gone by of hate and oppression and being made to feel less than,” said Del. Jay Jones, a black lawmaker from Norfolk. He said he was “overcome” by emotion when he learned the statue was to come down.

https://apnews.com/75e6f0d57a896207551c1c0e8868cb27
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The time has come to speak of many things, said the Walrus to the Clams. Of shoes and ships and sealing wax and Robert E. Lee.
 
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