NYTimes doxxing Tucker Carlson's house

Sailor said:
Steve, you and I are going to politely agree to disagree here. That is what is nice about talking with people like you. We can do this civilly.
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The man is CERTIFIABLY NUTS. I KNOW this from DOZENS, if not HUNDREDS of whacked out posts he's made to me. The man needs HELP. That's ALL I'll say, I'm done even THINKING about the loon.
 
Cypress said:
Most Americans -- outside of affluent landed white men - lived as either second class humans, or in abject bondage, for centuries.

On average, Russian serfs were better off than American slaves.

I do not think freedom is a race, and I do not think America has a claim to being a unique case where freedom and prosperity took root almost immediately in this Republic. We also had the good fortune of having an entire continent to ourselves with nary an existential threat in sight..

The Anglo-American concept of freedom is only one measure of freedom. There are many cultures in this world which would not trade their essence of life for the alienation, spritual decay, and moral decadence many see in the west.

We have to remember, it was unrestrained and unregulated capitalism that destroyed the flowering of a Russian democratic state in the 1990s.

If we had been occupied by Mongol hordes , Swedish armadas, Napoleonic armies, and bloodthirsty Nazi legions, we might also have a more Hobbesian view of life and the nature of the state. History and context are everything.

Russia has a long history of throwing off the yoke of dictators and conquers - in fact, they have overcome longer odds and more existential threats than we ever have. My hope is that someday Russia will have stronger democratic institutions. But they will not be Anglo-American in nature, and it will reflect the peculiar nature of Russian history.

I personally have never found it useful to find fault with any particular nation or culture. We all live with the angels and demons of our histories.
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In Texas, our response to "On average, Russian serfs were better off than American slaves." is "No shit!" I doubt American will disagree with you. Now, compare a 1830s Irish immigrant with a Russian serf and tell me who was better off. An American would say the Irish immigrant. What would you say?

Agreed freedom isn't a race. It's not genetic, it's cultural as you alluded. When I was studying International Relations, the first thing taught to us was "If you want to understand another country, study their history and their geography".

As the US found in Iraq (a lesson any intelligent educated adult would have known) is that democracy can't be given. It must be earned, meaning the culture itself has to grow in such a manner as to foster democracy.

Fareed Zakaria's book "The Future of Freedom: Illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad" described the economic environment required for democracy to thrive. For example, it's difficult to build a democracy if people are worried about being murdered in their bed by marauders or if the water is going to work that day.

In our discussion on Russians, they deliberately chose to go back under an authoritarian government. One day they'll grow strong enough to throw off the yoke and keep it off. All I really know is that they won't do it by shittin all over other countries.
 
anatta said:
there was no "fake news" the first time he was doxxed and had Ceepy Antifa try to get into the house.
I'd be jump after that -and we still dont know this full story for you to say "fake"

For a so called conservative you have no clue about the work Carlson has done.
Your not worth my time to clue you in though

You've gone completely over the edge with "Hitler did it"/ "Trump did it" . you're a nut case
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He's just a troll, ignore him.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
In Texas, our response to "On average, Russian serfs were better off than American slaves." is "No shit!" I doubt American will disagree with you. Now, compare a 1830s Irish immigrant with a Russian serf and tell me who was better off. An American would say the Irish immigrant. What would you say?

Agreed freedom isn't a race. It's not genetic, it's cultural as you alluded. When I was studying International Relations, the first thing taught to us was "If you want to understand another country, study their history and their geography".

As the US found in Iraq (a lesson any intelligent educated adult would have known) is that democracy can't be given. It must be earned, meaning the culture itself has to grow in such a manner as to foster democracy.

Fareed Zakaria's book "The Future of Freedom: Illiberal Democracy at Home and Abroad" described the economic environment required for democracy to thrive. For example, it's difficult to build a democracy if people are worried about being murdered in their bed by marauders or if the water is going to work that day.

In our discussion on Russians, they deliberately chose to go back under an authoritarian government. One day they'll grow strong enough to throw off the yoke and keep it off. All I really know is that they won't do it by shittin all over other countries.
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Every country is going to have a different idea of how a democratic republic should be constituted. Given their history of being repeatedly invaded I can understand Russians may prefer a republic more akin to a strong ideal Hobbesian state.

As for democracy, we do not even let our own people choose our leader. We allow 535 individuals in the electoral college to thwart the will of the majority-plurality of American voters.

On balance though, I am totally on board with the Anglo-American tradition of law and democratic traditions.

I am just not buying the premise that because Russia had a tsar and a communist government, makes Russian people pussies.

I guarantee you, the chicks in Pussy Riot have more fortitude and sheer nerve than just about any dude posting here, including me
 
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Cypress said:
As for democracy, we do not even let our own people choose our leader. We allow 535 individuals in the electoral college to thwart the will of the majority-plurality of American voters.

On balance though, I am totally on board with the Anglo-American tradition of law and democratic traditions.

I am just not buying the premise that because Russia had a tsar and a communist government, makes Russian people pussies.

I guarantee you, the chicks in Pussy Riot have fortitude and sheer nerve than just about any dude posting here, including me
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There's a difference between a Democracy and a Republic.


Again, I have no doubt there are Russians brave enough to fight tyranny, but since Russia is still under tyranny, obviously there aren't enough of them.

The US won our freedom, but I think we are in danger of losing it our of complacency and laziness.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
There's a difference between a Democracy and a Republic.


Again, I have no doubt there are Russians brave enough to fight tyranny, but since Russia is still under tyranny, obviously there aren't enough of them.

The US won our freedom, but I think we are in danger of losing it our of complacency and laziness.
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ROFL.. this is some stupid stuffed shirt thinking that "Putin is a dictator" and therefore Russia is ruled by a tyrant.

That's how fucking stupid you are.
You arbitrate whether Russians "fight for the freedoms" enough but no clue of the history of Russian autocratic rule.

Tsarist autocracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsarist_autocracy
 
Dutch Uncle said:
There's a difference between a Democracy and a Republic.


Again, I have no doubt there are Russians brave enough to fight tyranny, but since Russia is still under tyranny, obviously there aren't enough of them.

The US won our freedom, but I think we are in danger of losing it our of complacency and laziness.
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A Republic is a generic term for any country not ruled by a monarchy, and purports to have a government representing the people.

That is why countries as diverse as United States, Germany, People's Republic of China, Democratic Republic of North Korea, and Union of Soviet Socialist Republics all claim the title Republic.

What people in Russia have told me is that Russia is always a powder keg, and always just a shot away from revolution.

I am told people are not naive about Vladimr Putin. There is more opposition to him than people in the west realize.

But Putin is also no Stalin, he is not even a Brezhnev. Westerners do not realize how bad things were in Russia during their failed experiment with cowboy capitalism in the 1990s. Russia in the late 90s was a failed state on the verge of utter collapse.

It was lassaize faire capitalism which destroyed the incipient Republican democracy. What many Russians think is that Putin saved the nation from utter ruin and collapse. I get the feeling at that point in their history, they felt a need for a Hobbesian state to prevent complete disaster, anarchy, and civil war.

But that doesn't mean a lot of them do not want something better than Putin someday.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Human conflict has been around a lot, lot longer than 30 years. Boomers invented a lot of things but they didn't invent mankind's competitiveness to the point of killing each other.

Until our species develops unlimited renewable energy (think Mr. Fusion) and "replicators" (think 3D printers using fusion converted atoms) resources will always be in short supply for a species that breeds like rabbits. All wars are have either resources or geography (a resource in itself) as their base causes. The conflict in with China is the competition for undersea resources in the South China Sea.

With Russia, it's the same economic, political and military competitions to influence the parts of the globe China isn't throwing it's panda ass around.
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Actually, we innovated a clever way around that dilemma. The development of ideology means that we can continue to wage wars even while we solve the problem of resources.
 
anatta said:
ROFL.. this is some stupid stuffed shirt thinking that "Putin is a dictator" and therefore Russia is ruled by a tyrant.

That's how fucking stupid you are.
You arbitrate whether Russians "fight for the freedoms" enough but no clue of the history of Russian autocratic rule.

Tsarist autocracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsarist_autocracy
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No doubt Putin approves of your support, comrade anatta.

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Chaz said:
Actually, we innovated a clever way around that dilemma. The development of ideology means that we can continue to wage wars even while we solve the problem of resources.
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Sorry if my previous post wasn't clear: I'm saying the wars will continue until that technology is developed and in mass use.
 
anatta said:
ROFL.. this is some stupid stuffed shirt thinking that "Putin is a dictator" and therefore Russia is ruled by a tyrant.

That's how fucking stupid you are.
You arbitrate whether Russians "fight for the freedoms" enough but no clue of the history of Russian autocratic rule.

Tsarist autocracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsarist_autocracy
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It's all semantics, but I consider Vladimir Putin to be the head of a criminal oligarchy.

That does not mean everything he does is bad. He saved the Siberian tiger. And I would much rather have Vladimir Putin than Leonid Brezhnev.
 
Cypress said:
A Republic is a generic term for any country not ruled by a monarchy, and purports to have a government representing the people.

That is why countries as diverse as United States, Germany, People's Republic of China, Democratic Republic of North Korea, and Union of Soviet Socialist Republics all claim the title Republic.....
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Dude, if we can't agree there's those who have a Republic and those who simply call themselves a "Republic" like the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Putin ordered the alteration of the Russian Constitution so he could stay in power. Trump can't do that. Note the differences on why.

Obviously the Russian people approve since they accept it.


https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...he-right-thing-for-russia-putin-idUSKBN2460OD
President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday constitutional amendments approved in a nationwide vote created the conditions for Russia’s “progressive development” for decades to come.

One of the changes approved in the week-long vote that ended on July 1 makes it possible for Putin to seek two more terms as president and, if re-elected, to stay in power until 2036.

Other changes grant former presidents immunity from prosecution, enshrine a reference in the constitution to God, offer pensions protection and define marriage as a union of a man and a woman.
 
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