Pelosi says Biden shouldn't debate Trump:

That you would want no fact checkers is a given-> :laugh: Even you know deep down he is a pathological liar......

It is also a given that if the polls/trump said debates were bad you would argue just the opposite.:nodyes:

There is no such thing as 'fact checking'. Learn what 'fact' means. Holy Links are not a proof.
 
Dems gave us the huge welfare state and the massive affirmative action programs to help blacks. But they didn't do any good. Blacks are just so inferior, they can't be helped. Few can even read.

It is atrocious what the Democrats have done to blacks. True, Democrats gave us a huge welfare state and massive affirmative action programs. It is about control. It is about racism. Blacks are not inferior. They are kept on the modern urban 'plantations' in poverty by welfare, lousy schools, and other Democrat programs. They can read, if they are taught to. The can become successful, if they can get off of their welfare mentality.
 
Semantics fallacies. Denial of history. If you think Biden can easily beat Trump in a debate, why is Pelosi trying to stop it??? Which is it, dude?

LOL........ You need to stop arguing w/ yourself.........

My post was obviously about trump, not biden.... Only mention of him in it was that the Dems could critic him, trump suckers need to stick to their PC lane w/ their mouth shut!! Other than praise & defense of the lies of course.........:|

I dunno if Biden can beat trump in a fair fight, this won't be a fair fight w/out strong moderation.......

I agree Pelosi may have her doubts of his abilities :dunno: but that is hardly the only reason to have pause debating a monster, now is it......... :|
 
Many of the sop called fact checkers are liberal biased!

Quite right. To a liberal, a 'fact' is a proof. It is a Universal Truth. It is the Universal Truth declared by 'fact checkers'.

A fact is none of these things. A fact is simply predicate assumed by all parties in a conversation. As soon as that fact is challenged, it ceases to be a fact, and becomes an argument. We use them like pronouns, to shorten our speech. The predicate assumed does not have to be declared each time.
 
Is that because most "facts", as opposed to "alternative facts"View attachment 16814 tend to lean that direction???

For some ppl esoteric things like science & facts are subjective...........:|

Do you have an unbiased source to check facts??

Sometimes it is really simple, like if it was said or not, but someone can still deny even when they roll the tape of them saying it

There is no such thing as an 'alternative fact'. Use English instead of Liberal. It works better.
 
LOL........ You need to stop arguing w/ yourself.........|
No, that would be YOU. Which is it, dude?
My post was obviously about trump, not biden|
It was about both, moron. Trump is a formal noun. It is capitalized. Biden is a formal noun. It is capitalized.
.... Only mention of him in it was that the Dems could critic him, trump suckers need to stick to their PC lane w/ their mouth shut!!|
Inversion fallacy. You are describing Democrats when it comes to being stuck in political correctness. Trump is a formal noun. It is capitalized.
Other than praise & defense of the lies of course.........:||
Void argument fallacy.
I dunno if Biden can beat trump in a fair fight, this won't be a fair fight w/out strong moderation....... |
A moderator is not a referee. A moderator only serves to conduct the debate. Trump is a formal noun. It is capitalized.
I agree Pelosi may have her doubts of his abilities |
Since she said exactly that, that's a duh.
:dunno: but that is hardly the only reason to have pause debating a monster, now is it......... :|
No monsters here. Just people. Put down your bong, dude. You are hallucinating again.
 
No, that would be YOU. Which is it, dude?

It was about both, moron. Trump is a formal noun. It is capitalized. Biden is a formal noun. It is capitalized.

Inversion fallacy. You are describing Democrats when it comes to being stuck in political correctness. Trump is a formal noun. It is capitalized.

Void argument fallacy.

A moderator is not a referee. A moderator only serves to conduct the debate. Trump is a formal noun. It is capitalized.

Since she said exactly that, that's a duh.

No monsters here. Just people. Put down your bong, dude. You are hallucinating again.

trump is a formal asshole & will not be caped by me..............

You can deny your POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AKA PC all you like but the inability of "you ppl" to hold it to account, to even criticize it, even in the least, is blatantly obvious even to the blind.........

No you go fallacy yourself ass up some place else kid................:)
 
So the fact that water is wet will cease to be true while two buttheads argue about it?? :thinking:

A fact is not a proof. It has neither a True nor a False. It is simply an assumed predicate.

It two people are arguing over whether water is wet, then it is no longer a fact that water is wet. Now....do you want to argue whether water is wet?
 
House Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested Thursday that former Vice President Joe Biden cancel his three scheduled debates with President Trump because the commander-in-chief would "belittle" the forum and engage in "skullduggery."

"I don't think that there should be any debates," Pelosi said out of the blue at a news conference at the Capitol, saying she doesn't want the debates to be "an exercise in skullduggery."

"I wouldn't legitimize a conversation with him, nor a debate in terms of the presidency of the United States. Now I know that the Biden campaign thinks in a different way about this."

Pelosi is the latest high-profile Democrat to offer a major piece of advice to the former vice president. Earlier this week, former 2016 Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton said Biden shouldn't concede the race under any circumstances.

Pelosi made the comment at her weekly news conference, unprompted, and her advice was not in response to a question about debates. She cited Trump's "disgraceful" performance at the 2016 debate when he was "stalking" Clinton as one reason Biden should break tradition and sit out the debates.

"So I think that he'll probably act in a way that is beneath the dignity of the presidency; he does that every day," Pelosi said. "But I think it will also belittle what the debates are supposed to be about. And they're not to be about skullduggery on the part of somebody who has no respect for the office he holds, much less the democratic process.

"Why else would he try to undermine the elections in the manner in which he is doing? So, if Joe Biden asked me what I thought about it, [I'd say] I don't think that he should dignify that conversation with Donald Trump."

The Biden campaign already agreed to three debates in September and October in a letter to the Commission on Presidential Debates, in addition to a vice-presidential debate.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pe...-i-wouldnt-legitimize-a-conversation-with-him



For someone who is supposed to be such a slick politician, doesn't she know how stupid and pathetic this makes her AND Biden look? I love it. LOL

Let's see what Trump tweets: https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump
 
trump is a formal asshole & will not be caped by me..............
So you deny English. You only want to write in Liberal.
You can deny your POLITICAL CORRECTNESS AKA PC all you like but the inability of "you ppl" to hold it to account, to even criticize it, even in the least, is blatantly obvious even to the blind.........
The last thing I am is politically correct, dumbass.
No you go fallacy yourself ass up some place else kid................:)

Mockery. Denial of logic.
 
That, and it's a math issue. The polls are denying statistical mathematics.

Would you kindly expand on this? I note that I have heard Bret and Heather say that they read scientific papers that are drenched in math only to discover too often that the authors dont understand math....they claim this is one of the reasons that science has gone bad.
 
Would you kindly expand on this? I note that I have heard Bret and Heather say that they read scientific papers that are drenched in math only to discover too often that the authors dont understand math....they claim this is one of the reasons that science has gone bad.

I already have, multiple times here. But, I'll do it again since you discuss things on a much better level here, and because you may not have seen it before.

Statistical math is a branch of mathematics that summarizes data. The data must be published. It must be raw data free of bias and the method of its collection must be shown to be free from bias. No cooked data is allowed.
Statistical math makes use of random numbers (a type randN number for data selection, and a paired randR number for normalization). Since it is only a summary tool and it makes use of random numbers, it doesn't have the ability to predict, normally inherent in mathematics. It can only summarize past or present data. It cannot predict data.

Part of the summary process is to declare a variance possible in the data, and to justify that declaration value. This is not the data itself, only the possible variance the data might take. From this, a margin of error value is calculated (that +- bit in the summary). The summary (the normalized data average and the margin of error value) is only good for that data. It cannot predict any future summaries or any future data.

A poll asks questions that are often not published, to people that are not selected in an unbiased manner, and the resulting data is not published. Performing an analysis on such data is completely pointless. Further, pollsters do not declare the variance or justify it. They simply publish some random number as the 'margin of error' if they publish it at all.

There are three types of random numbers: randR, or the same type that you see on a single die (a paired randR is like two or more dice, producing the familiar bell curve). randN, or the same type as you see in a deck of cards. Once a card is picked, you cannot pick it again until some reset event (like a shuffle) which cancels out all picks. In other words, it's randR with a memory. A randN can be picked once and only once, not 1.3 times, not 2.5 times, just once, or not at all. Cooking data is an attempt to pick something like 1.3 times, inserting a random number into the data.

The third type of random number is of type randU. This is the so-called pseudo random number. It comes out of someone's head, or out of an algorithm from someone's head. In other words, it's a made up number. Whenever you see someone use the words 'no one', or 'everyone', or 'most people', or 'experts say', that's a randU.

Using random numbers as data is a math error and a fallacy, known as an argument from randU fallacy. Statistical summaries of hidden data is just a summary of random numbers, which itself is just a random number of type randU. Crappy random number generators in computers produce randU numbers. Random number mathematics is another branch of mathematics, but does not exist in the Real Domain, the type of mathematics people learn in grade school and most of college. Random numbers are used in statistical math and in probability math. Both branches of mathematics lose the power of prediction as a result.

The actual analysis itself is pretty simple to perform, but you MUST start with unbiased, published data to begin with, and you MUST have a variance declared and justified.


A lot of people like to claim 'trends' by misusing statistical mathematics. The government is no exception! These people have agendas. They are trying to sway opinion, not measure it. They are doing it with math errors and by using random numbers (of type randU) as data. You will find they then turn to 'expert worship' when challenged. After that, they usually just start to call you names.

The Church of Global Warming, the Church of Green, the Church of Gun Control, the Church of Covid, and the Church of Fear all deny mathematics, deny science, deny history, and deny logic. They also denounce other religions, since each of these are fundamentalist style religions. They all stem from the Church of Karl Marx. They are all about implementing fascism in the United States and elsewhere.

Logic is a closed functional system, just like mathematics. Science is an open functional system. It is a set of falsifiable theories. Open functional systems do not have the power of prediction, but closed functional system do. It comes along with the formal proof. The importation of random numbers into a branch of mathematics though, removes this power of prediction normally inherent in other branches of mathematics. Example: 25=3x+b. You can predict what 'x' is easily for any value of 'b'. Theories of science are often transcribed into mathematics to give them this ability to predict. The resulting equation is known as a 'law' of science.

Religion is a thing defined by philosophy, just as science is. The simplest and best description of a religion is simply this: All religions are based on some initial circular argument, with arguments extending from that. The other name for the circular argument is 'faith', or the argument of faith. That itself is not a fallacy (an error in logic). Circular arguments have no True or False possible. They simply exist, and there is nothing wrong with that. Every theory, even scientific ones, begin as a circular argument.

There are people that like to try to prove a circular argument True or False. They are attempting a proof on something that is not possible. This is the circular argument fallacy. It is what a fundamentalist does. Hence, the religions I have mentioned above are fundamentalist style religions. They are each based on faith, and their members in each try to prove their religion True.

The funny thing about religions is that you don't even need to define what it is you worship. In the Church of Global Warming, for example, the phrase 'global warming' and 'climate change' has never been defined. All attempts to define them only define them with themselves. Since it's not possible to define a word with itself, this results in a circular definition, in and of itself. Yes, it is the basis of this religion.

Another form of this kind of undefinable worship takes place in some Christian sects, which cannot even define the characteristics of God. The sort of treat God as some kind of amorphous, shapeless, and unspecifiable thing; but all powerful somehow.

You asked about statistical math. I went further in answering you because there are terms here that need to be explained and clarified as well. Hopefully this answers your question, and may help you to ask more specific questions about anything I was unclear on.
 
No son, sadly you are as PC as the rest...............

You can add it to the rest of your denial, don't want you getting depressed about it, but someone needed to point it out to you...... :thup:

Obviously you have a different idea of what is 'politically correct'. You are attempting to undefine it, so you can redefine it at will according to your convenience.
 
Polls are absolutely meaningless.
The electoral college hasn't been formed yet.
The election is not being held today.

However, the message by either candidate is published. The enthusiasm around Trump is easily seen. The size of the crowds and viewership on things like Youtube around Trump cannot shows great enthusiasm. Can't say the same for Biden or Harris.
Yeah. Biden's out of touch. The Democrat platform of turning this country into fascism by oligarchy is not going to be accepted by the people of this country. Their constant references to Russians interfering with the elections and backing Trump, their buzzword use of 'Nazi', their funding and supporting of rioters, looters, vandals, and arsonists is just helping Trump.

I call Trump the Corbomite President (ref Star Trek original series). The more they try to attack him, the more they only wind up destroying themselves.

Good post.
 
I already have, multiple times here. But, I'll do it again since you discuss things on a much better level here, and because you may not have seen it before.

Statistical math is a branch of mathematics that summarizes data. The data must be published. It must be raw data free of bias and the method of its collection must be shown to be free from bias. No cooked data is allowed.
Statistical math makes use of random numbers (a type randN number for data selection, and a paired randR number for normalization). Since it is only a summary tool and it makes use of random numbers, it doesn't have the ability to predict, normally inherent in mathematics. It can only summarize past or present data. It cannot predict data.

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OK, a lot of that went over my head but let me ask some questions that would help in my understanding:

1) I gather that it has become distressingly common for so called scientists to present findings and concussions but then resist presenting the data so that their evaluation of the data can be evaluated.....is this true?

2) A lot of people have concluded that the authors of academic papers have taken to writing in jargon that only a few people can understand to hide the fact that there is no there there....they are either saying nothing or nothing that matters...they are not helping society.......do scientists do the same thing with math...clutter up papers with tons of math that almost no one understands to cover for the fact that they are offering up nothing ?

3) Or is it rather that math is expected, but the authors dont really understand it....that the failure of math/analyzing that data in science tends from lack of skill rather than outright fraud....I am thinking that you are saying this is fraud but I want to make sure.



The Church of Global Warming, the Church of Green, the Church of Gun Control, the Church of Covid, and the Church of Fear all deny mathematics, deny science, deny history, and deny logic. They also denounce other religions, since each of these are fundamentalist style religions. They all stem from the Church of Karl Marx. They are all about implementing fascism in the United States and elsewhere.

The denial of truth and reason by the academy is the corruption of the academy by religion, which is by definition the failure of the University, which largely dooms the West....do we agree?
 
Obviously you have a different idea of what is 'politically correct'. You are attempting to undefine it, so you can redefine it at will according to your convenience.

No, not really...

Most ppl are followers, they want to be accepted so they tow the line...

To go outside those boundaries has consequences........
 
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