Anti science democrat party and Sarah McBride!

[AProudLefty]

Absolutely, and it seems pretty apparent you don't know what that means. Leftists almost universally operate under the bizarre misconception that "peer review" is another word for "science" and they never bother learning what it means.

Please tell me that you are the exception to the rule.

It's quite simple. Anyone can have access to those studies and check them out, even repeat the experiments. It's how science works.

 

[AProudLefty]

Anyone that is born a male that thinks he's a female is a problem. A bigger problem is you idiots that encourage them when they do so.

How is it a problem? And how are we encouraging them?

 

[IBDaMann]

It's quite simple. Anyone can have access to those studies and check them out, even repeat the experiments. It's how science works.

Great, can I get a link to the ones that convinced you?

 

[AProudLefty]

Great, can I get a link to the ones that convinced you?

There are plenty of links, many scientific journals.

But here's one to start you off: https://globalnews.ca/news/4223342/transgender-brain-scan-research/

It's pretty common sense.

If you want to convince me that transgenderism is a mental illness, then by all means do so.

 

[IBDaMann]

There are plenty of links, many scientific journals.

Nope. No science involved. Like I said, you were fooled by activist propaganda.

The example you gave me is a great case in point. Leslie Young is a Leftist activist journalist trying to steer public policy. She has never gotten any science on her hands. The title of her prattle should have been a huge clue "MRI scans suggest ... " but also the total lack of any science should have had you summarily dismissing the article.

I will repeat, what you are saying MIGHT be correct but we have no idea all of the cause/effects and how they all relate. No idea whatsoever. To claim otherwise is dishonest. To peddle false hope like it is "science" as Leslie Young is doing is dishonest to an extent ... but she needs to eat like the rest of us so she needs to sell her articles.

If you want to convince me that transgenderism is a mental illness, then by all means do so.

What is it today with everyone getting people's arguments mixed up? I am specifically arguing against any such terminology. I was clear that my two anchor concepts are "abnormal" and "gender confusion." I did suggest that trained psychologists be made available to ensure mental health doesn't suffer. I know several for whom it is not any sort of debilitation and is not an illness.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Absolutely, and it seems pretty apparent you don't know what that means. Leftists almost universally operate under the bizarre misconception that "peer review" is another word for "science" and they never bother learning what it means.

Please tell me that you are the exception to the rule.
Oh, and where's the link?

Actually, "peer review" for the Left means that like-minded individuals agreed with your research because they are like-minded. After that, it means essentially, "Shut up, we're correct and the science is settled!"

This is why so much Leftist research ends up being debunked, discredited, and thoroughly demolished. Leftist science only works in a dictatorship so long as the truth can be suppressed.

 

[AProudLefty]

Nope. No science involved. Like I said, you were fooled by activist propaganda.

Who are those activists? And how was I being fooled? I am open minded. If you can demonstrate how I am wrong, go for it. I am listening.

The example you gave me is a great case in point. Leslie Young is a Leftist activist journalist trying to steer public policy. She has never gotten any science on her hands. The title of her prattle should have been a huge clue "MRI scans suggest ... " but also the total lack of any science should have had you summarily dismissing the article.

As I have stated, there are multiple sources, many of them are science journals. The author was using those studies and references.

I will repeat, what you are saying MIGHT be correct but we have no idea all of the cause/effects and how they all relate. No idea whatsoever. To claim otherwise is dishonest. To peddle false hope like it is "science" as Leslie Young is doing is dishonest to an extent ... but she needs to eat like the rest of us so she needs to sell her articles.

I have made no such claim about the author. The content, studies and references are what is important, not the author. The science of transgenderism is relatively young. There's more to be studied, as I have stated.

What is it today with everyone getting people's arguments mixed up? I am specifically arguing against any such terminology. I was clear that my two anchor concepts are "abnormal" and "gender confusion." I did suggest that trained psychologists be made available to ensure mental health doesn't suffer. I know several for whom it is not any sort of debilitation and is not an illness.

You are correct in the term, "abnormal". But you have not explain what "gender confusion" means. And it is not a scientific terminology.

Some transgender children ARE being treated for gender dysphoria.

Now your turn to convince me I am wrong.

 

[AProudLefty]

Actually, "peer review" for the Left means that like-minded individuals agreed with your research because they are like-minded. After that, it means essentially, "Shut up, we're correct and the science is settled!"

This is why so much Leftist research ends up being debunked, discredited, and thoroughly demolished. Leftist science only works in a dictatorship so long as the truth can be suppressed.

Oh yeah and the moon landings are faked.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Oh yeah and the moon landings are faked.

Yep, Hitler and the Nazis did that from a secret base in Antarctica with the help of aliens using CIA brain control equipment the KGB invented...

 

[AProudLefty]

Yep, Hitler and the Nazis did that from a secret base in Antarctica with the help of aliens...

Exactly. That's basically what you are doing.

 

[IBDaMann]

As I have stated, there are multiple sources, many of them are science journals.

I'm fairly certain that the only science in those "journals" is the word "science" in the marketing. I don't recognize any publication as "scientific" until I actually see science within it.

The science of transgenderism is relatively young. There's more to be studied, as I have stated.

You and I are singing from the same sheet of music. I fully support more extensive research in that area because there is so much to learn ... and think of all the tangential knowledge and products and treatments and medicines that will come from that frontier.

Some transgender children ARE being treated for gender dysphoria.

Before adolescence, any diagnosis of gender confusion is pure activism and the child is a victim. I do not support it. After reaching adolescence, however, then sure but not before.

First, on what points do we disagree?

 

[AProudLefty]

Before adolescence, any diagnosis of gender confusion is pure activism and the child is a victim. I do not support it. After reaching adolescence, however, then sure but not before.

You keep saying "gender confusion". That's a nebulous term and it is not a scientific term.

Until you can explain exactly what it is and show evidence, then we can talk about children being victims.

First, on what points do we disagree?

Gender confusion and mental illness.

 

[IBDaMann]

You keep saying "gender confusion". That's a nebulous term and it is not a scientific term.

Look, you and I are communicating in English. If you want science then you and I need to communicate in math. Is that what you are requesting? I'm happy to do so if that is what is needed, but if not then "gender confusion" is clearer than any of the English words you are using.

So when did you begin advocating unnecessary medical experiments on children?

 

[AProudLefty]

Look, you and I are communicating in English. If you want science then you and I need to communicate in math. Is that what you are requesting? I'm happy to do so if that is what is needed, but if not then "gender confusion" is clearer than any of the English words you are using.

You're evading. Are you going to define "gender confusion"?

Transgender people know their biological sexes. No confusion there.

So when did you begin advocating unnecessary medical experiments on children?

What unnecessary medical experiments?

 

[IBDaMann]

You're evading. Are you going to define "gender confusion"?

I already have and you responded to it. Go back and read what I wrote.

Transgender people know their biological sexes. No confusion there.

You are EVADING my definition. Your statement above is stupid since I have stated that I do not disagree. You aren't saying anything but you think you somehow are.

What unnecessary medical experiments?

What you call "treatments" for an undiagnosable issue in children prior to adolescence. To perform medical experiments on pre-adolescent children just to satisfy WACKY activists is sick. There is no science supporting this, only extreme fringe political activism. I consider anyone who perform unnecessary medical experiments on children to be a shitty person. I don't know if you feel the same way.

 

[AProudLefty]

I already have and you responded to it. Go back and read what I wrote.

I remember your definition. It doesn't address the biological sexes. Gender and sex are two related but different things.

What you call "treatments" for an undiagnosable issue in children prior to adolescence. To perform medical experiments on pre-adolescent children just to satisfy WACKY activists is sick. There is no science supporting this, only extreme fringe political activism. I consider anyone who perform unnecessary medical experiments on children to be a shitty person. I don't know if you feel the same way.

What makes it undiagnosable? If the gender identity persists, then what would you call it?

You keep saying activists. Who are they?

And no I do not support unnecessary experiments on children.

Let's use intersex children and adults as an example. Which gender do they identify as? Especially when they had surgery when they were a baby (that was back then).

 

[IBDaMann]

I remember your definition. It doesn't address the biological sexes. Gender and sex are two related but different things.

Correct. Your definition obscures those words in that way; mine does not. A person has only one gender and that is determined by biology, i.e. gender = biological sex. If one has an abnormal condition of being confused about whether he should be his/her gender then that abnormal condition should be addressed. At present, the true reason for such confusion is unknown although you are trying to pretend that it is known and that there is a second gender in the brain somewhere.

There is no second gender in the brain somewhere. Your definition and your wording is the problem in this case. You are convoluting and confusing the matter with the wrong words. Nobody knows what causes gender confusion; all we know is that there are people who are confused over their gender and even commit suicide because of it. Some are driven to get sex change operations. Some are driven to drugs and alcohol looking for an escape.

What makes it undiagnosable?

Because puberty hasn't been reached. You are the one who needs to answer for why the hell you believe in mystical quackery from fringe political activists that leads to fucking up children with unnecessary or possibly harmful medical experimentation. What science do you claim to have that supports that?

That is a stupid question. You have never heard of activists? Where is your science for any of this?

Hermaphrodites? OK. I say don't do anything until puberty is reached, allow the child to grow normally, healthily until sexuality develops and then engage in a discussion of what would be the best course of action.

Fine ... just don't pretend that any human can make a mature adult decision about that before puberty. And no, no activists should be experimenting with children just to make a political statement.

 

[AProudLefty]

Correct. Your definition obscures those words in that way; mine does not. A person has only one gender and that is determined by biology, i.e. gender = biological sex.

Here's the definition of gender:

gen·der

noun
1.
either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.

Do you see the term "biological"? Your definition did not include that.

If one has an abnormal condition of being confused about whether he should be his/her gender then that abnormal condition should be addressed. At present, the true reason for such confusion is unknown although you are trying to pretend that it is known and that there is a second gender in the brain somewhere.

Again, address what this "confusion" is. Transgender people KNOW their own biological sexes. So it makes no sense that they're confused about that.

That is a stupid question. You have never heard of activists? Where is your science for any of this?

Yes I have heard of activists. You have yet to name those "activists" who push and encourage unnecessary medical experiments on children.

Hermaphrodites? OK. I say don't do anything until puberty is reached, allow the child to grow normally, healthily until sexuality develops and then engage in a discussion of what would be the best course of action.

Now you are getting there.

Fine ... just don't pretend that any human can make a mature adult decision about that before puberty. And no, no activists should be experimenting with children just to make a political statement.

What decision?

 

[Lightbringer]

Here's the definition of gender:

gen·der

noun
1.
either of the two sexes (male and female), especially when considered with reference to social and cultural differences rather than biological ones. The term is also used more broadly to denote a range of identities that do not correspond to established ideas of male and female.

Do you see the term "biological"? Your definition did not include that.



Again, address what this "confusion" is. Transgender people KNOW their own biological sexes. So it makes no sense that they're confused about that.



Yes I have heard of activists. You have yet to name those "activists" who push and encourage unnecessary medical experiments on children.



Now you are getting there.



What decision?

Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.

Here's how I know where you're at: Is "irregardless" a word?

 

[AProudLefty]

Sounds like a bunch of bullshit to me.

Here's how I know where you're at: Is "irregardless" a word?

Where did you see that word?