Military 'Will Not Follow' Unlawful Trump Orders Over Election, House Armed Services

Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed but it proves who has and who hasn't bought into Trump's gaslighting about the election, "voting fraud", mail-in ballots, yada, yada, yada.

The OP article quoted Adam Smith but there should be no doubt he is citing our armed services responsibilities and responses correctly:

The armed services chairman told the network that military leaders told him they "serve one president at a time," and while he does not expect Trump to go quietly, after January 20 "all the layers of government will no longer serve him, they will serve Joe Biden—if he wins and if he is sworn in—and there is nothing he can do about that."

"The second thing is: Does he try to order the military to defy that? What the military has made clear to me is they will not follow an unlawful order. Period," Smith told CNN.

"For instance, if the president had ordered them into a city, as he was threatening to do, they were prepared to say no, that is not a lawful order, we have no lawful reason to go there.

"Their oath is to the Constitution. Much to Donald Trump's chagrin, it is not to him. It is to the laws and Constitution of our country and they will uphold that oath."

Newsweek has contacted the White House for comment.
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Thanks, I have to get up to speed on the military thing.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Q-Anon. Deep State. Uranium One. Pizzagate sex trafficking ring. Birtherism. Burisma. (D)s trying to undo 2016 election. New World Order. Microchips in vaccines. Vaccines! Sandy Hook. Epstein death. 9/11 truthers. Anything Clinton. And last but not at all least -- which political flavor is more apt to reject COVID measures, not wear masks, insist that it's no worse than a bad cold? Hint: It ain't lefties.

You're a funny guy. Too bad it's not on purpose.
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A year's worth of CNN, MSNBC and Twitter lies all in one concise post. You're one very efficient sheep. :awesome:
 
christiefan915 said:
I can only go by trump's own words about whether he'll leave peacefully if he loses. We've all heard what he's said and what his son said about distrusting the system, you can't deny it's out there.

I haven't heard the armed forces thing so can't comment on that.

I'm arguing that your contention of Dems rioting in the streets if trump wins is pure speculation. The people rioting and demonstrating now are doing it for a completely different reason than any election results.
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George Floyd lol?

Trump [or any President] simply can’t ‘not leave’ the WH after Inauguration Day. The minute Biden gets sworn in Trump is a private citizen with absolutely zero authority.

Now, what Trump could do—because it was done to him, is recruit some people in the intelligence agencies [if he can find any that don’t want rid of him] and set up some trip wires for the incoming administration: conjure some bullshit reason to interview Biden’s National Security advisor. Maybe call a meeting in the Oval Office with Pence, Billy Barr and some others and have a little Pow Wow.

Don’t tell Biden’s advisor it’s actually a criminal investigation and not a routine chat. Spring the perjury trap—and it’s off to the races.

Oh, and yeah can’t forget this: get a list of sketchy Chinese nationals that are connected to the communist regime and have them ‘find’ some dirt on Biden or anyone in Biden’s circle.

Doesn’t matter if it unadulterated gossip—Trump has people that can slip it past the FISC Court. Then use the FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign. Screw the predicate—it’s just a fishing expedition, anyway. Never know what might turn up.

While that’s going on, have Billy Barr give Biden ‘a little heads up’ about a salacious dossier sourced from China: then leak the fact Biden was briefed on it to the media; that gives the media justification to report on, and eventually publish, the dossier sourced from China.

Just that easily, the incoming Biden administration is hamstrung. With any luck at all, a Special Prosecutor can be appointed which almost guarantees democrats lose in the midterms [just make sure to drag it out long enough] and maybe even impeach and remove Biden over it.

The military isn’t necessary for a coup.
 
Bottom line if Biden wins than on Jan 20th at 12 noon he will be the new president, trump then doesn't control anything, if he refuses to leave the WH he can be removed by any means necessary
 
guno said:
Bottom line if Biden wins than on Jan 20th at 12 noon he will be the new president, trump then doesn't control anything, if he refuses to leave the WH he can be removed by any means necessary
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No matter what happens you will be quivering under the bed like the coward you are. You can shut up now wimpy.
 
Darth Omar said:
George Floyd lol?

Trump [or any President] simply can’t ‘not leave’ the WH after Inauguration Day. The minute Biden gets sworn in Trump is a private citizen with absolutely zero authority.

Now, what Trump could do—because it was done to him, is recruit some people in the intelligence agencies [if he can find any that don’t want rid of him] and set up some trip wires for the incoming administration: conjure some bullshit reason to interview Biden’s National Security advisor. Maybe call a meeting in the Oval Office with Pence, Billy Barr and some others and have a little Pow Wow.

Don’t tell Biden’s advisor it’s actually a criminal investigation and not a routine chat. Spring the perjury trap—and it’s off to the races.

Oh, and yeah can’t forget this: get a list of sketchy Chinese nationals that are connected to the communist regime and have them ‘find’ some dirt on Biden or anyone in Biden’s circle.

Doesn’t matter if it unadulterated gossip—Trump has people that can slip it past the FISC Court. Then use the FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign. Screw the predicate—it’s just a fishing expedition, anyway. Never know what might turn up.

While that’s going on, have Billy Barr give Biden ‘a little heads up’ about a salacious dossier sourced from China: then leak the fact Biden was briefed on it to the media; that gives the media justification to report on, and eventually publish, the dossier sourced from China.

Just that easily, the incoming Biden administration is hamstrung. With any luck at all, a Special Prosecutor can be appointed which almost guarantees democrats lose in the midterms [just make sure to drag it out long enough] and maybe even impeach and remove Biden over it.

The military isn’t necessary for a coup.
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Unlike trump, Biden is campaigning on unity rather than divisiveness. He's not criticizing, attacking and lying about all republicans, unlike trump with the Dems. He will be bringing years of government experience to the office and is not afraid to take advice and listen to viewpoints other than his own, unlike trump. He won't be dragging in all the baggage of lying, cheating and grifting; failed business deals; thousands of lawsuits; dozens of accusations by women he assaulted; multiple wives and children and a love of dictators, unlike trump. And he won't be spending the day watching Faux News and endlessly tweeting his grievances.

People are sick and tired of trump's angry whining complaints about how the whole world's against him. He has zero self-control and he's his own worst enemy.

He's the mouse that roared.
 
guno said:
Bottom line if Biden wins than on Jan 20th at 12 noon he will be the new president, trump then doesn't control anything, if he refuses to leave the WH he can be removed by any means necessary
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Agreed. OTOH, I doubt it'll make the news. The news will say "Trump has quietly retired and chooses not to address the nation" or something to that effect.

What his nut jobs do in the streets is up to the nut jobs. Trump will probably spin them up a few days before the election so I'm sure it will be memorable.
 
christiefan915 said:
Unlike trump, Biden is campaigning on unity rather than divisiveness. He's not criticizing, attacking and lying about all republicans, unlike trump with the Dems. He will be bringing years of government experience to the office and is not afraid to take advice and listen to viewpoints other than his own, unlike trump. He won't be dragging in all the baggage of lying, cheating and grifting; failed business deals; thousands of lawsuits; dozens of accusations by women he assaulted; multiple wives and children and a love of dictators, unlike trump. And he won't be spending the day watching Faux News and endlessly tweeting his grievances.

People are sick and tired of trump's angry whining complaints about how the whole world's against him. He has zero self-control and he's his own worst enemy.

He's the mouse that roared.
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Sorry, but that's not completely true. Yes, Biden is advocating unity over Trump's divisiveness, but Biden lies about and fear-mongers against Republicans. He's pressing the "Republicans will take your health care" and "Republicans will ban homosexual marriages" buttons pretty hard.

You and I know the Republicans are full of shit on repealing Obamacare; they've have three different Presidential administrations, almost 12 years, to come up with a fucking plan. They have no alternative plan. All they have is faux outrage and a continuing promise to repeal it.

As for "gay marriage", it's a 14th Amendment issue. SCOTUS will not recind a right even if all 9 were RWNJs.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Sorry, but that's not completely true. Yes, Biden is advocating unity over Trump's divisiveness, but Biden lies about and fear-mongers against Republicans. He's pressing the "Republicans will take your health care" and "Republicans will ban homosexual marriages" buttons pretty hard.

You and I know the Republicans are full of shit on repealing Obamacare; they've have three different Presidential administrations, almost 12 years, to come up with a fucking plan. They have no alternative plan. All they have is faux outrage and a continuing promise to repeal it.

As for "gay marriage", it's a 14th Amendment issue. SCOTUS will not recind a right even if all 9 were RWNJs.
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I should have been more clear. When I say trump attacks all Dems I mean not only those in government but people like me, the average American. He makes a lot of sweeping statements with no facts behind them, like saying Dems support violence, Dems don't want law and order, Dems want to kill babies. And he lies about Dems in government because he can and gets no push back from those in the GOP. No other repub president ever treated roughly half of voting Americans with the contempt trump shows towards all Dems.
 
christiefan915 said:
I should have been more clear. When I say trump attacks all Dems I mean not only those in government but people like me, the average American. He makes a lot of sweeping statements with no facts behind them, like saying Dems support violence, Dems don't want law and order, Dems want to kill babies. And he lies about Dems in government because he can and gets no push back from those in the GOP. No other repub president ever treated roughly half of voting Americans with the contempt trump shows towards all Dems.
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Agreed. Clearly Trump is a fucking moron, but he's not the only politician running for President who lies and fear-mongers.
 
christiefan915 said:
Stretch said:
ThatOwlWoman said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Q-Anon. Deep State. Uranium One. Pizzagate sex trafficking ring. Birtherism. Burisma. (D)s trying to undo 2016 election. New World Order. Microchips in vaccines. Vaccines! Sandy Hook. Epstein death. 9/11 truthers. Anything Clinton. And last but not at all least -- which political flavor is more apt to reject COVID measures, not wear masks, insist that it's no worse than a bad cold? Hint: It ain't lefties.

You're a funny guy. Too bad it's not on purpose.
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A year's worth of CNN, MSNBC and Twitter lies all in one concise post. You're one very efficient sheep. :awesome:
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:rolleyes: None of those issues were lies. Please explain why you think they are.
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Agreed on the conspiracy theory bullshit. The Republican party has clearly destroyed itself. That doesn't mean the LWers will "win" because there will always be a conservative point of view. :)
 
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