Colleges Not Testing For COVID, Even In Hot Spots.

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

The cynical view is Universities wanted students on campus with the promise of having classes and having them pay full tuition along with room and board. If everything gets shut down after then that is ok, as long as the students have paid. Because it's a much harder sell to parents to get them to fork over $70K for a year of online learning.

Gotta be a big part of it. But why little to no testing if 'everybody who wants a test can get a test?'

Well, of course we all know the answer to that.

We still do not have adequate testing. We need like 35 million per week.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

Bingo. My university has spent millions just since we moved here four years ago on huge new dorms, a huge university center remodel, and a medicinal plants chemistry program and labs. They made every student (even we ppl who opted for on-line only courses) take a shallow nasal swab COVID test before classes started. Now they are only testing the symptomatic who request it.

That is apparently more than many universities have done. Some have no testing at all.

 

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



Gotta be a big part of it. But why little to no testing if 'everybody who wants a test can get a test?'

Well, of course we all know the answer to that.

We still do not have adequate testing. We need like 35 million per week.

That's ultimately up to each University to determine how they want to test. And you're saying each school needs 35 million tests a week? I don't see that happening.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth Omar,

50K cases with 3 hospitalizations and zero deaths.

Students have probably figured out by now *they* have little reason to be ‘panicked’ over the China virus; any students who get it can be assumed to be immune afterwards.

What’s the point in massive testing? Colleges tend to be pretty liberal; that some have decided it’s not the worth the effort should be instructional.

Oh, now we are back to calling taking the pandemic seriously - "panic."

What makes it 'panic?'

Because people are rightly concerned over a deadly virus which has killed 215,000 fellow Americans?

And that's 'panic?'

And what have you got to show that it is 'panic?'

Nothing?

Why don't you stop exaggerating and just talk about how much testing is appropriate?

Apparently you think any testing is foolish?

Is there no point in even trying to combat the virus?

Do you think it is hopeless to fight it?

Is that why you constantly downplay it?

Funny your position exactly matches that of the president.

I bet if he had done the right thing, and let our institutions help us, especially the government, and got good praise from the media for doing everything to save American lives, and he made sure we had as much testing as possible, then you would be all for testing.

What I see is a case of nonsense talking points given and nonsense talking points repeated.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

That's ultimately up to each University to determine how they want to test. And you're saying each school needs 35 million tests a week? I don't see that happening.

That would be the entire country.

But actually, I got that wrong.

Not per week.

We should be doing that many tests each day.

Ideally, we should have instant-results at-home tests which are free to the public so anybody can test themselves easily at any time.

If we had that, and people used them and took it seriously, then we could put this thing away.

It spreads because the people who are spreading it don't know they have it.

If they knew, and they self quarantined until they test negative, then the disease could not spread.

But even though we know how to beat this disease, it would take the coordination and organization of all the citizens.

That's the problem.

Because we cannot meet that condition, the disease can still spread.

The more people we can get to work together on this, the more lives we can save.

The more people who just want to listen to the president and blow it off, not take it seriously, then the more the disease will spread and the more lives will be lost.

We all depend on one another to fight the disease, but since we cannot trust the right, particularly the Christian right, to do that, then that's why the disease is so bad in America and why we have the most death.

 

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[Nordberg]

50K cases with 3 hospitalizations and zero deaths.

Students have probably figured out by now *they* have little reason to be ‘panicked’ over the China virus; any students who get it can be assumed to be immune afterwards.

What’s the point in massive testing? Colleges tend to be pretty liberal; that some have decided it’s not the worth the effort should be instructional.

Students figured it out? I think they were going to party anyway. They are at the mental invincibility age. However, they are the safest demographic, but the people they encounter may not be.

 

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



That would be the entire country.

But actually, I got that wrong.

Not per week.

We should be doing that many tests each day.

Ideally, we should have instant-results at-home tests which are free to the public so anybody can test themselves easily at any time.

If we had that, and people used them and took it seriously, then we could put this thing away.

It spreads because the people who are spreading it don't know they have it.

If they knew, and they self quarantined until they test negative, then the disease could not spread.

But even though we know how to beat this disease, it would take the coordination and organization of all the citizens.

That's the problem.

Because we cannot meet that condition, the disease can still spread.

The more people we can get to work together on this, the more lives we can save.

The more people who just want to listen to the president and blow it off, not take it seriously, then the more the disease will spread and the more lives will be lost.

We all depend on one another to fight the disease, but since we cannot trust the right, particularly the Christian right, to do that, then that's why the disease is so bad in America and why we have the most death.

Wow. Impressive to tie in Universities and the Christian right. I have no idea the connection there but I guess on a political board nothing is surprising.

I explained why Universities want to open up. There is huge money involved. If you want to go on a rant about the President and religious right be my guest but Universities are their own entities and I now realize they weren't what you are focused on.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

Wow. Impressive to tie in Universities and the Christian right. I have no idea the connection there but I guess on a political board nothing is surprising.

I explained why Universities want to open up. There is huge money involved. If you want to go on a rant about the President and religious right be my guest but Universities are their own entities and I now realize they weren't what you are focused on.

There is no bail out money for universities, so they are trying to deal with the pandemic on dwindling budgets. You are correct about the monetary aspect of it.

And the reason they are in this predicament is because of poor leadership all the way up to the White House. And who put him there? The Christian right, among others.

It's not a great distance between this foolish policy and where the power behind it is derived.

 

[Darth Omar]

Hello cawacko,



That would be the entire country.

But actually, I got that wrong.

Not per week.

We should be doing that many tests each day.

Ideally, we should have instant-results at-home tests which are free to the public so anybody can test themselves easily at any time.

If we had that, and people used them and took it seriously, then we could put this thing away.

It spreads because the people who are spreading it don't know they have it.

If they knew, and they self quarantined until they test negative, then the disease could not spread.

But even though we know how to beat this disease, it would take the coordination and organization of all the citizens.

That's the problem.

Because we cannot meet that condition, the disease can still spread.

The more people we can get to work together on this, the more lives we can save.

The more people who just want to listen to the president and blow it off, not take it seriously, then the more the disease will spread and the more lives will be lost.

We all depend on one another to fight the disease, but since we cannot trust the right, particularly the Christian right, to do that, then that's why the disease is so bad in America and why we have the most death.

Why do you always leave out the over 40% were nursing home victims when you quote death totals lol?

What do you deduce from that particular statistic?

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth Omar,

Why do you always leave out the over 40% were nursing home victims when you quote death totals lol?

What do you deduce from that particular statistic?

Because it is a heartless point.

We have no right to dismiss lives because they are in a care facility.

Those are real people who died and continue to die.

It is in extremely poor taste to belittle their loss.

Pretty callous.

 

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



There is no bail out money for universities, so they are trying to deal with the pandemic on dwindling budgets. You are correct about the monetary aspect of it.

And the reason they are in this predicament is because of poor leadership all the way up to the White House. And who put him there? The Christian right, among others.

It's not a great distance between this foolish policy and where the power behind it is derived.

LOL, what?

If this is a federal government issue share with us how much funding Universities receive from state vs federal funds and how that funding has changed the last couple of years if that is your argument.

And talk to parents who are paying $70K/yr to send their kids to a University and see how excited they are about having their kids do on-line only. Short of an Ivy League school the reason you pay that amount is for the full college experience. To sit at home you can pay almost nothing and get the same classes from your local community college online.

 

[Darth Omar]

Hello Darth Omar,



Because it is a heartless point.

We have no right to dismiss lives because they are in a care facility.

Those are real people who died and continue to die.

It is in extremely poor taste to belittle their loss.

Pretty callous.

But that’s not very scientific lol.

We need science *and realism* to guide public policy.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

LOL, what?

If this is a federal government issue share with us how much funding Universities receive from state vs federal funds and how that funding has changed the last couple of years if that is your argument.

And talk to parents who are paying $70K/yr to send their kids to a University and see how excited they are about having their kids do on-line only. Short of an Ivy League school the reason you pay that amount is for the full college experience. To sit at home you can pay almost nothing and get the same classes from your local community college online.

That straw man is not my argument. As to the comments about paying full price for a remote experience, that is part of it, but also people are concerned about spreading the disease. It all depends on political and peer pressure. People feel that a remote learning experience should cost less, but the colleges have no room in their budgets for price reductions. That shouldn't be a problem for an old ivy league school with a huge endowment. They should dip into that to make up the difference. But State colleges don't often have the reserves.

Meanwhile, back on topic, the federal government should be paying to test every in-person class college student and faculty member at least every two weeks to catch positives before they circulate and spread the disease.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

But that’s not very scientific lol.

We need science *and realism* to guide public policy.

Yeah, the indifference goes on until it happens in their own family. That changes their outlook real fast.

 

[cawacko]

Hello cawacko,



That straw man is not my argument. As to the comments about paying full price for a remote experience, that is part of it, but also people are concerned about spreading the disease. It all depends on political and peer pressure. People feel that a remote learning experience should cost less, but the colleges have no room in their budgets for price reductions. That shouldn't be a problem for an old ivy league school with a huge endowment. They should dip into that to make up the difference. But State colleges don't often have the reserves.

Meanwhile, back on topic, the federal government should be paying to test every in-person class college student and faculty member at least every two weeks to catch positives before they circulate and spread the disease.

The federal government should paying to test every in person college student and facility every two weeks? Really? Why not test everyone who works in an office or any indoor facility?

Universities are expensive to run. That's why they want kids on campus paying the full freight. (not to mention kids wanting to be on campus)

 

[Darth Omar]

Hello Darth,



Yeah, the indifference goes on until it happens in their own family. That changes their outlook real fast.

You seem a little indifferent to people who’s livelihood, mortgage payments and etc are affected by some of these policies that turn out to be pointless.

That’s a good way to produce a whole mess of angry voters.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello cawacko,

The federal government should paying to test every in person college student and facility every two weeks? Really? Why not test everyone who works in an office or any indoor facility?

Yes. All should be getting regularly tested. If we could do that we would beat the disease.

What we really need is an inexpensive at-home test with instant results. Yes, the government should pay for them and pass them out for free.

Only problem then would be the fools who would not use them.

Sadly we have a lot of fools in the USA.

 

[Yakuda]

Up here in the U.P. of Michigan, it is college students and younger kids driving the horrendous spike in cases we're now experiencing since Labor Day. We are now the state's hot spot, particularly the counties closest to Wisconsin which is a red zone state.

The myth that they don't get sick is just a myth. What's worse is that they are driving community spread among their parents, people they encounter in public, and at their jobs. It becomes a vicious economic cycle. People don't go out to buy anything but necessities either because they're quarantined or don't want to be exposed. They stop going to restaurants and hair salons and gyms. Those employers then have to lay ppl off. There's little need for an official shut-down; ppl do it on their own, to the detriment of their community's economy.

How many of those kids dying?