Can You Spot The Difference?

No not really they're both self-centered viewpoints thinking the government exists to help people. I think people should help people and the government should stick to regulation.

There's not a difference between these two things because they're both from the perspective of the self-centered very selfish person. the government exists for me give me give me give me it's all about me what can the government do for me what can a country do for me I am the world's problem.

When you look at things from that perspective then yeah a government not interested in being your mommy looks like it's out to screw you over.

Take care of yourself.
Government does exist to "help people". It's in both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution Preamble. It's the limits of that help which is being debated.

You're saying "no help at all", the Democrats are saying "Free College and Liposections!!!!" and I'm saying "We need to think about this." :)
 
How is expecting people to do for themselves what they should be doing for themselves fucking the people?

How is encouraging dependency and creating freeloaders that think the government should solve all their problems helping them?

If you think the government should be your mommy and daddy you probably think I've never been that wants you to take care of yourself is now to get you.

Think of it like a petulant child who really really really wants a bicycle but his mother won't buy it for it the mom says you need to earn money and buy it for yourself. Sometimes the child will do that and learn how to do for themselves sometimes they will fall on the floor and throw a temper tantrum and say how their parents hate them and they're screwing them over.

I noticed a few years ago people started really hating that phrase pull yourself up by your bootstraps. It's because they want their free shit NOW. it's ode to them they shouldn't have to work and earn what they want because there's rich people that can just buy it for you.

If you think about it this is a prison. These people are helpless. And Dave put their own gilded lock on the cage.

once you figure out how to do for yourself you are free. That's why they hate you they hate you because you're free because you did it the hard way and it worked.
 
If you think the government should be your mommy and daddy you probably think I've never been that wants you to take care of yourself is now to get you.

Think of it like a petulant child who really really really wants a bicycle but his mother won't buy it for it the mom says you need to earn money and buy it for yourself. Sometimes the child will do that and learn how to do for themselves sometimes they will fall on the floor and throw a temper tantrum and say how their parents hate them and they're screwing them over.

I noticed a few years ago people started really hating that phrase pull yourself up by your bootstraps. It's because they want their free shit NOW. it's ode to them they shouldn't have to work and earn what they want because there's rich people that can just buy it for you.

If you think about it this is a prison. These people are helpless. And Dave put their own gilded lock on the cage.

once you figure out how to do for yourself you are free. That's why they hate you they hate you because you're free because you did it the hard way and it worked.

I don't. Never have, never will.
 
Sorry, dude, but now you've lost me. Is it your Meth addiction or just your ideology??

Some humor:
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It's you being an idiot.
 
Government does exist to "help people". It's in both the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution Preamble. It's the limits of that help which is being debated.
when you evoke the founding documents you need to understand that what those people mend by the government was the people not this bureaucracy we have now. The founding documents never said anything about stealing from the people who earn their money and giving it to people who refuse to.

The government is the people not the IRS.
You're saying "no help at all", the Democrats are saying "Free College and Liposections!!!!" and I'm saying "We need to think about this." :)

Bullshit Dutch. I never said no help at all. I said the government is there to regulate and also deregulate. That's not no help that's the kind of help the government is designed to do.

So next time actually read instead of jumping to a conclusion and pretending that centrality is Noble.

No help at all what a lie.
 
when you evoke the founding documents you need to understand that what those people mend by the government was the people not this bureaucracy we have now. The founding documents never said anything about stealing from the people who earn their money and giving it to people who refuse to.....

Straw man argument. I never said anything about stealing, socialism or anything else. My post simply pointed out the extremes two groups of idiots are moving. I disagree with both and am expressing support for common sense and cold logic, not emotional arguments and extremist lies.

Please stick to the facts. Here are two facts that prove your initial post was wrong:

"...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness..."

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

No not really they're both self-centered viewpoints thinking the government exists to help people. I think people should help people and the government should stick to regulation....
 
Straw man argument. I never said anything about stealing, socialism or anything else. My post simply pointed out the extremes two groups of idiots are moving. I disagree with both and am expressing support for common sense and cold logic, not emotional arguments and extremist lies.

Please stick to the facts. Here are two facts that prove your initial post was wrong:

"...That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness..."

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

My argument is the government's role is to regulate and deregulate. That is all the help it can ever be. You said that I said no help at all that was a straw man.

I don't think it's roll is to be mommy I'm sorry you misinterpret that to mean no help at all. I can only state what I mean and what I think. If you can't be bothered to understand then why are you even here?
 
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My argument is the government's role is to regulate and deregulate. That is all the help it can ever be. You said that I said no help at all that was a straw man.

I don't think it's roll is to be mommy I'm sorry you misinterpret that to mean no help at all. I can only state what I mean and what I think. If you can't be bothered to understand then why are you even here?
Thanks for backpedaling from your initial declaration:
No not really they're both self-centered viewpoints thinking the government exists to help people. I think people should help people and the government should stick to regulation.

There's not a difference between these two things because they're both from the perspective of the self-centered very selfish person. the government exists for me give me give me give me it's all about me what can the government do for me what can a country do for me I am the world's problem.

When you look at things from that perspective then yeah a government not interested in being your mommy looks like it's out to screw you over.

Take care of yourself.

We're both agreed to be against Nanny Staters. The problem is that you are a Nanny Stater too. You are an authoritarian Federalist since you support the Republican party agenda by being anti-abortion, anti-gay and anti-balanced budget.
 
Thanks for backpedaling from your initial declaration:

We're both agreed to be against Nanny Staters. The problem is that you are a Nanny Stater too. You are an authoritarian Federalist since you support the Republican party agenda by being anti-abortion, anti-gay and anti-balanced budget.

If you're just going to make up fake views and apply them to me why are you talking to me?

Is this some sort of ego thing?
 
If you're just going to make up fake views and apply them to me why are you talking to me?

Is this some sort of ego thing?

People can read your posts and mine. I'm certain most can see what you are saying and what I am saying.

No, not ego. It's about right and wrong. Didn't you know this was a political discussion forum when you signed up?
 
People can read your posts and mine. I'm certain most can see what you are saying and what I am saying.
so what is the purpose of making up views on hold for yourself?

I'm a gay man I am in a relationship with another man. I'm not anti gay. Anybody who read my post and yours will see that you're full of s*** and you're making up lies why are you doing that?

I never think that it's okay to kill a baby in the womb but if you ask me if there should be a law you're not going to get a response you expect.
No, not ego. It's about right and wrong.
no it's not about right and wrong if it was you would listen to what I have to say rather than just make up things and attribute them to me.

When you do that it's so you can slay your straw man and feel like you won it's almost always an effort to stroke your I want to go maybe you're diluted I don't know.
Didn't you know this was a political discussion forum when you signed up?
I would post the same question to you do you know what a discussion is? You aren't discussing anything with me I'm telling you my views and you're ignoring them and fabricating your own and attributing them to me. That isn't the discussion that is frail ego.

again why are you here if you don't want to discuss with people do not know what that means do not understand that there are other people in the world?
 
so what is the purpose of making up views on hold for yourself?

I'm a gay man I am in a relationship with another man. I'm not anti gay. Anybody who read my post and yours will see that you're full of s*** and you're making up lies why are you doing that?

I never think that it's okay to kill a baby in the womb but if you ask me if there should be a law you're not going to get a response you expect.
no it's not about right and wrong if it was you would listen to what I have to say rather than just make up things and attribute them to me.

When you do that it's so you can slay your straw man and feel like you won it's almost always an effort to stroke your I want to go maybe you're diluted I don't know.

I would post the same question to you do you know what a discussion is? You aren't discussing anything with me I'm telling you my views and you're ignoring them and fabricating your own and attributing them to me. That isn't the discussion that is frail ego.

again why are you here if you don't want to discuss with people do not know what that means do not understand that there are other people in the world?

Like you said, I can only go by what you post.

Not my problem. The fact remains you are supporting a divisive party which is anti-gay. If you want to employ the "you have to take the good with the bad" rule, say so.

Your anti-abortion rhetoric is confirmation of your far Right Nanny State support. BTW; an embryo isn't a "baby". Neither is a blastocyst.

Obviously we are discussing this. The fact you are getting your ass beat over your far Right authoritarian views is also not my problem.

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Like you said, I can only go by what you post.

Not my problem. The fact remains you are supporting a divisive party which is anti-gay. If you want to employ the "you have to take the good with the bad" rule, say so.

Your anti-abortion rhetoric is confirmation of your far Right Nanny State support. BTW; an embryo isn't a "baby". Neither is a blastocyst.

Obviously we are discussing this. The fact you are getting your ass beat over your far Right authoritarian views is also not my problem.

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There isn't a discussion here you are fabricating views that I didn't hold and you are arguing with a theoretical person not me.

Control yourself and get your emotions in order and deal with your ego problem and then maybe we can have a discussion.
 
There isn't a discussion here you are fabricating views that I didn't hold and you are arguing with a theoretical person not me.

Control yourself and get your emotions in order and deal with your ego problem and then maybe we can have a discussion.

Dutch is one of the more intelligent and easier posters to talk with on this board. Tells it like it is, non partisan. Where are you getting this from?
 
There isn't a discussion here you are fabricating views that I didn't hold and you are arguing with a theoretical person not me.

Control yourself and get your emotions in order and deal with your ego problem and then maybe we can have a discussion.

Are you denying you support Trump and the Republican agenda?

Is that your way of throwing a hissy fit then threatening to take your football and go home?
 
Dutch is one of the more intelligent and easier posters to talk with on this board. Tells it like it is, non partisan. Where are you getting this from?

I agree for the most part he is in this case he isn't.

He told me what my views are and what he said doesn't gel with what I think my views are Who would know what my views are better me or someone else?

I'm sorry he's acting like a charlatan it does seem rather out of character for him. But I know what I think better than he does and I know what my views are better than he does.

And after explaining that that isn't the view I hold he then doubled down on it he's not being that easy to talk to. He's being a big headed idiot.

Even the most level-headed people are capable of that.
 
Are you denying you support Trump and the Republican agenda?
I already explained what My views are. You rejected it and substituted your own alternate reality.

Why would I do it again just to have you reject them again and then try to tell me what I think?

If you want to know read the posts you ignored the first time.
 
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