Can You Spot The Difference?

[Into the Night]

Totally wrong. Next. They get daily analysis. Dbl next. In the future when historians look back on what Trump did, they will castigate him and name him the worst president ever. So far he wins those discussions overwhelmingly. Worst president ever.

Your personal opinion, based on your own hatred. That's all you have.

 

[Into the Night]

Where does that bit of fiction come from...or did you just make it up?

Presidents are evaluated every day...often several times a day if the president is a disgusting, stupid, classless turd like Trump.

So you have judged, so shall you be judged, you stupid disgusting classless turd.

 

[Into the Night]

There is no way I will lose any friendships over Trump.

You already have.

Keep in mind that almost every friend I have in "real" (non-cyber) life is a staunch conservative...and almost all are also Trump supporters.

I don't believe you.

I'm an old, white male working and playing golf in one of the richest, most conservative Republican counties in America. If my wife and I were to lose our conservative friends...we'd lose 90% if ALL our friends.

I don't believe you.

The two couples Nancy and I pal with most often, are both VERY conservative and both VERY pro-Trump.

I don't believe you.

My bother and his family live in California...my sister and her family do also.

Relatives are not friends. They are relatives.

My brother and sister-in-law are both dedicated Trump supporters...my sister supposes she is slightly to the left of me politically...and feels as much contempt for Trump as I.

Relatives are not friends. They are relatives.

We all have our say (out here in life...and out "here" in cyber space) and then get on with being humans getting along and making our way through what at times can be a complex, but enjoyable life.

Yet you support those that seek to destroy the United States and replace it with fascism by oligarchy.

We're gonna be friends, Hawk...no matter who wins.

Optimistics, but it takes two to tango, you know.

 

[saltydancin]

Pretending to be "intelligent" is not a viable argument....especially when everything you espouse is nothing but pure SUBJECTIVE AD HOMINEM BS.

FYI: Jesus the Christ was born a JEW, Born under the law, born of a woman, practiced Orthodox Judaism his entire life, and died having never sinned under the Old Law of Moses. And you espouse the nonsense that the KKK practices Christianity on one hand and hates Jews on the other? Someone, somewhere is FOS. (full of feces). Spell check is free...........and yes the majority of historical figures in the Untied States walked a different path than that walked by true Christians....the vast majority of mankind lives in sin and dies unrepentant. But this does not do away with the truth found in scripture....the source by which true Christian Doctrine is founded.

There's that Christian Nation SCOTUS national religion Christiananality fabricated misnomer immaculate conception so their suicidal super egos in sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming can forgive themselves of malice aforethought in fixing elections & 9/11 as if they were already paid for.

 

[Old Trapper]

These are the things liberals want to ban. You don't want to discuss the topic. You want to simply dictate to people and preach.

Wandering off into unrelated topics is not discussing the topics I've listed. It is evasion...a fallacy.

Now. Let's pick one topic . We'll start with a simple one. Guns. Go ahead. Make your case.

Quite simple. There is no great movement to ban the ownership of guns save for a few far left types. What there is a great movement for is the non-traditional position of no regulations Guns have always been regulated in one fashion or another. Dodge City Kansas had a ban on firearms within the city limits, etc. as an example. The Supreme Court held that the ownership of guns under the Second Amendment applied only to the Militia until the Scalia ruling in Heller in 2008. Any debate over gun ownership by the Founders applied only to that of the Militia. And as guns become more powerful, and the populace becomes more irresponsible, the need for regulation is increased. No longer can we drive around with our rifles in the back window.

Problem is you right wingers have lost touch with reality, and your fantasy world does not fit in with the real world. It is like when you make childish comments like this "These are the things liberals want to ban. You don't want to discuss the topic. You want to simply dictate to people and preach." with no supportive evidence. One is expected to take the word of liars as a matter of fact. And life does not work that way save for in the mentally mind of the delusional.

 

[Old Trapper]

Guns. Capitalism. Liberty. Fuel. Plastics. Republicans. Conservatives. The Constitution of the United States.

Just as an offhand, these are the things liars like to say Liberals want to ban. Notice that there is no supportive evidence given that it is even remotely true, just the words of a delusional partisan hack.

 

[Nordberg]

Your personal opinion, based on your own hatred. That's all you have.

You are wrong for the 9000th time in a row. Trump has been named such in many historian lists. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...siena-presidential-ranking-survey/2857075002/ Here is a collection of historians putting him 3rd from the bottom. That is not all I have, That however is all you ever offer.

 

[saltydancin]

Pretending to be "intelligent" is not a viable argument....especially when everything you espouse is nothing but pure SUBJECTIVE AD HOMINEM BS.

FYI: Jesus the Christ was born a JEW, Born under the law, born of a woman, practiced Orthodox Judaism his entire life, and died having never sinned under the Old Law of Moses. And you espouse the nonsense that the KKK practices Christianity on one hand and hates Jews on the other? Someone, somewhere is FOS. (full of feces). Spell check is free...........and yes the majority of historical figures in the Untied States walked a different path than that walked by true Christians....the vast majority of mankind lives in sin and dies unrepentant. But this does not do away with the truth found in scripture....the source by which true Christian Doctrine is founded.

Obviously if SCOTUS national religion Christiananality pedophilia "serve the Pope or die" diatribe doesn't maintain "man is God" suicidal sociopsychopathilogical human farming, Freudian slips of resorting to Islamidiotocracy dhimmitude servitude "death to the infidels" business appears to be the standard progression for problems in American Christian Nation politics to remain way too dang lily schizoid brilliant white at the expense of the USA while KKK holy ghosts as little more than thieving US Constitution - old glory - old testament - absentee voting ballots arsonists utilizing the cross on fire mass neuroses of fascism.

 

[Old Trapper]

He never said anything of the sort, liar.

Then you support bringing back the Unions?

Lie. You want to control every aspect of my life. You want to dictate what toilet I can use, what light bulb I can buy, what car I'm allowed to drive, what sources of energy I can buy, what I can and cannot do with my property...and on, and on, and on.

Do you know what a "free market" is? Of course, there does have to be some regulation. An "unfettered" market would be a disastor.

Workers are people. They already benefit from the wealth they create. You just want to steal their wealth.

And that is why we have the vast expanse between the wealthy, and the working class. Not the cheap wages, it is because Liberals want to steal the wealth from the 1%.

"An actual socialist economy wouldn't be too different from a capitalist economy. The difference between capitalism and socialism is who owns the economic entities. In capitalism businesses are owned by private citizens, typically rich people who don't actually do any work or contribute to the business. In socialism, ownership of business is shared between the employees of said business, and they split the profits between themselves."

Profit sharing was supported by both Jefferson, and Adam Smith.

"In theory, socialism should produce as much wealth as a capitalism.

In practice, socialism doesn’t, because you can not downplay the role of the mind in creating wealth. Apple is a great example of this. Apple is one of the wealthiest companies in the world, however, its brand and its foundation is still based and rooted in the legacy of Steve Jobs. People have bought products because of that legacy, people have bought shares in the company because of it as well"

And people will continue to buy name brand products even after that product has been shown to be of a lower quality.

 

[Into the Night]

Quite simple. There is no great movement to ban the ownership of guns

Yes there is, liar. Examine Biden's campaign platform. Examine laws passed in the SOTC (what you might call California). Examine the attempt to ban guns in NYC, Connecticut, and the ongoing attempt to ban particular guns or magazine containing more than a few rounds.

save for a few far left types.

No. These are laws already passed. They are unconstitutional.

What there is a great movement for is the non-traditional position of no regulations.

Regulation does not mean banning. I am discussing the banning of all or some guns or their magazines, or their accessories.

Guns have always been regulated in one fashion or another.

Regulation is not banning.

Dodge City Kansas had a ban on firearms within the city limits, etc. as an example.

Unconstitutional, both by the Kansas State constitution and the Constitution of the United States.

The Supreme Court held that the ownership of guns under the Second Amendment applied only to the Militia until the Scalia ruling in Heller in 2008.

The Supreme Court does not have authority to change the Constitution of the United States.

Any debate over gun ownership by the Founders applied only to that of the Militia.

Wrong. The 2nd amendment is talking about two similar rights, not one; both related to self defense.
1) The right of a State to defend itself as a State by forming militias. The federal government also has this right, and their militia is called the National Guard.
2) The right of an individual to defend himself as an individual.

The 2nd amendment does not grant these rights to individuals or States. The right is inherent. The 2nd amendment specifically directs the federal government against passing any law that infringes on this right, either for States or for individuals.

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

The militia is formed by States. They are how the States defend themselves. This is iterating the State's right of self defense as a State.
The people are the people...that is, the individual. They have the right to keep and bear arms. That means ANY kind of arm. The federal government has no authority to infringe on either right. The 2nd amendment is also binding upon the States.

And as guns become more powerful, and the populace becomes more irresponsible, the need for regulation is increased.

Nope. Not constitutional to ban guns, their magazines of any size, their accessories, anything. Infringement means infringement. ANY kind of infringement.

No longer can we drive around with our rifles in the back window.

Yes we can, and people do.

Problem is you right wingers have lost touch with reality,
and your fantasy world does not fit in with the real world.

Define 'reality'. and 'real'. Betcha can't. Buzzword fallacy.

It is like when you make childish comments like this "These are the things liberals want to ban.

You just demonstrated that you want to ban guns, at least some guns. Q.E.D.

You don't want to discuss the topic.

Lie.

You want to simply dictate to people and preach." with no supportive evidence.

My evidence is the Constitution of the United States and various State constitutions.

One is expected to take the word of liars as a matter of fact.

You deny the Constitution of the United States??

And life does not work that way save for in the mentally mind of the delusional.

Psychoquackery. Insult fallacy.

You are going to have to do better than that. The Constitution of the United is very clear here. The Supreme Court has no authority to change it.

 

[Into the Night]

Just as an offhand, these are the things liars like to say Liberals want to ban. Notice that there is no supportive evidence given that it is even remotely true, just the words of a delusional partisan hack.

You just argued for the banning of guns, liar.

 

[Into the Night]

You are wrong for the 9000th time in a row. Trump has been named such in many historian lists. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...siena-presidential-ranking-survey/2857075002/ Here is a collection of historians putting him 3rd from the bottom. That is not all I have, That however is all you ever offer.

Assumption of victory fallacy. False authority fallacy. Argument from randU fallacies. Redefinition fallacy (Fake News<->historian). No argument presented.

 

[Into the Night]

Then you support bringing back the Unions?

Irrelevance fallacy. Void question. Be specific.

Do you know what a "free market" is?

Yes.

Of course, there does have to be some regulation.

No.

An "unfettered" market would be a disastor.

No. Capitalism requires NO government to function. It can literally bring civilization out of the wilderness.

And that is why we have the vast expanse between the wealthy, and the working class.

Bigotry. Class warfare. You are being disgusting.

Not the cheap wages, it is because Liberals want to steal the wealth from the 1%.

They want to steal wealth from anyone producing it...workers, factory owners, EVERYONE.

"An actual socialist economy wouldn't be too different from a capitalist economy.

Lie. The are polar opposites. Black is not white.

The difference between capitalism and socialism is who owns the economic entities.

You might say that.

In capitalism businesses are owned by private citizens, typically rich people who don't actually do any work or contribute to the business.

WRONG. Those rich people took the risk of starting or running that business. If they screw up the whole business suffers. If they succeed, the whole business benefits. They know the business better than any of their employees.

In socialism, ownership of business is shared between the employees of said business, and they split the profits between themselves."

WRONG. Business are controlled or owned by government.

Profit sharing was supported by both Jefferson, and Adam Smith.

Irrelevance fallacy. Strawman fallacy.

"In theory, socialism should produce as much wealth as a capitalism.

Socialism does not produce wealth at all. It steals it. Only capitalism creates wealth.

In practice, socialism doesn’t, because you can not downplay the role of the mind in creating wealth.

Try English. It works better.

Apple is a great example of this. Apple is one of the wealthiest companies in the world, however, its brand and its foundation is still based and rooted in the legacy of Steve Jobs. People have bought products because of that legacy, people have bought shares in the company because of it as well"

Steve Jobs took the risk of starting Apple. That's why he became rich. Apple was producing products that people wanted to buy. Jobs was able to hire many workers to help him. Each worker earned a wage that was the market price for that service by that employee at the time.

And people will continue to buy name brand products even after that product has been shown to be of a lower quality.

Irrelevance fallacy. Strawman fallacy. People that wish to buy the product is the only requirement.

Strawmen. False authorities. False equivalencies. Semantic fallacies. No argument presented.

 

[saltydancin]

Pretending to be "intelligent" is not a viable argument....especially when everything you espouse is nothing but pure SUBJECTIVE AD HOMINEM BS.

FYI: Jesus the Christ was born a JEW, Born under the law, born of a woman, practiced Orthodox Judaism his entire life, and died having never sinned under the Old Law of Moses. And you espouse the nonsense that the KKK practices Christianity on one hand and hates Jews on the other? Someone, somewhere is FOS. (full of feces). Spell check is free...........and yes the majority of historical figures in the Untied States walked a different path than that walked by true Christians....the vast majority of mankind lives in sin and dies unrepentant. But this does not do away with the truth found in scripture....the source by which true Christian Doctrine is founded.

Still spouting that Christian Nation "serve the Pope or die" national religion super ego cross conditioned diatribe fabricated misnomer immaculate conception just as SCOTUS one nation under God with equal justice under law churchstate fiefdom; where fabricated misnomer immaculate drug conceptions granting standing to thieving US Constitution - old glory - old testament - absentee voting ballots arsonists avoidance in acceptance since they have been forgiven just as their progressive manipulations in those burning Bush's Arab "death to the infidels" 9/11 health care plan mass neurosis of fascism patriot act to maintain the Christiananality pedophilia master race master plan of dhimmitude servitude for lynching enforcement of suicidal sociopsychopathilogical homicidal human farming forgiveness....

 

[Old Trapper]

You just argued for the banning of guns, liar.

Never have, and thank you for showing your own ignorance once again. Regulation is not banning.

 

[Old Trapper]

Assumption of victory fallacy. False authority fallacy. Argument from randU fallacies. Redefinition fallacy (Fake News<->historian). No argument presented.

And still you are the one that has no idea just how f**king stupid you appear with your repetitious spouting of bull shit, and lies.

 

[Into the Night]

Never have, and thank you for showing your own ignorance once again. Regulation is not banning.

You are discussing banning certain guns you don't like, liar. Denial of self. No argument presented. Semantics fallacies.

 

[Into the Night]

And still you are the one that has no idea just how f**king stupid you appear with your repetitious spouting of bull shit, and lies.

Bulverism fallacy. Argument of the stone fallacy. No argument presented.