Focus groups- Trump helped himself in final debate

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President Trump was a different candidate in Thursday night's final debate with Democratic rival Joe Biden. He had to be; there is general agreement, including inside the Trump campaign, that the president was too hot and too aggressive in the first debate, and that he made a poor impression on millions of Americans watching on television. On Thursday, Trump cooled it down and is likely to reap a benefit for making watching an easier experience for those millions who tuned in a second time.

That appeared to be one lesson from a Zoom focus group conducted after the debate by messaging expert Frank Luntz. Speaking to 15 undecided voters -- and yes, they appeared to be really undecided -- Luntz asked for a one- or two-word description of the candidates' debate demeanor. For Biden, the words were mostly bad: among them were "vague," "very vague," "non-specific," "cognitively impaired," "old," "uncomfortable," "elusive," "grandfatherly," and "defensive."

For Trump, they were mostly much better: among them were "controlled," "composed," "constrained," "reserved," "poised," "con artist," "surprisingly presidential," "calmer," and "restrained."

Like so many independent and undecided voters, some members of the group expressed agreement with Trump's policies while at the same time expressing great disapproval of the president's demeanor and public persona. "I have cringed in the past three and a half years over President Trump's tweets and how he has treated people," said one woman. "The question is whether I could vote for him where I agree on many of the policies."

At the debate, however, she and others saw a Trump who was -- finally, some of them said -- presidential. And they liked it.

"We've been wanting to see this man act presidential for three years, and he hasn't," said another woman. "And we get a glimpse of it and it gives us hope." The woman said that despite her unhappiness with Trump's behavior, she trusts him to handle the economy.

"I honestly felt in this debate Donald Trump did seem much more presidential," said a man. "Tonight he showed restraint in comparison to the first debate. And Joe Biden can't give a straight answer. He was so elusive."

Trump's presidential behavior "meant something to me," said another woman. "That is one of the reasons I have such reservations about pulling the lever for Donald Trump. He has been embarrassing -- I haven't been embarrassed by his policies, but embarrassed by what comes out of his mouth."

"I just think that character has been the biggest thing that has held me back from voting for Donald Trump," yet another woman said. "Tonight he showed me that he can behave in a way that is more presidential -- and that will affect my decision going forward."

Like the man who called Biden elusive, several group members complained about Biden's lack of specifics. It is a common complaint in focus groups; voters frequently say they want more details. But that gives Trump, as the incumbent, an advantage; they don't feel the need for details from him because they've watched him be president for four years. Biden, on the other hand, represents a change, and with change comes uncertainty.

In the end, several voters expressed continuing unhappiness with both candidates but said the debate had moved them, at least for now, in the direction of voting for Trump. Many seemed to be having an internal debate on presidential style versus substance. "You look at Biden as being a more decent person, but he's not coming clean on where he stands," Luntz told the group. "You look at Trump and you know where he stands but you don't like the way he communicates."

Well, which will it be? An election forces voters to choose. Trump's hope is that, for those independent voters having that internal debate, he can seem presidential enough to tip the balance in favor of voting for his policies, versus Joe Biden's more soothing style.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...idential-trump-helped-himself-in-final-debate
 
^Like we’ve been saying for four years lol.

If Trump would just stay out of his own way. It’s exactly that easy but it’s not. The frustrating thing is he’s entirely capable of pulling off ‘presidential’.

Which, gives the lie to the Trump caricature [pathologic personality; utterly incapable of controlling himself yada yada yada].

THAT is Trump’s biggest obstacle. Not Biden, the Democrats or their media lap dogs.

Trump’s biggest obstacle—is Trump.
 
^Like we’ve been saying for four years lol.

If Trump would just stay out of his own way. It’s exactly that easy but it’s not. The frustrating thing is he’s entirely capable of pulling off ‘presidential’.

Which, gives the lie to the Trump caricature [pathologic personality; utterly incapable of controlling himself yada yada yada].

THAT is Trump’s biggest obstacle. Not Biden, the Democrats or their media lap dogs.

Trump’s biggest obstacle—is Trump.

It is what it is but his transparency is a polar opposite to Boss Burisma Beijing Buyden.

He is still the CEO in his mind and it did get him elected in 2020.

We shall see.
 
It would be more accurate to say that Trump helped Biden, last night.
 
Has a Democrat ever won one of Frank Lutz’s focus groups?

Neither candidate won, you could cherry pick from either to attack or defend the guy you like, which is exactly what both sides will do to spin the results

Trump did help himself, he countered the lasting image he left from the last debate, while Biden must maintained, Donny will probably get a small bump in the polls, but the Sixty Minutes interview is yet to be seen
 
^Like we’ve been saying for four years lol.

If Trump would just stay out of his own way. It’s exactly that easy but it’s not. The frustrating thing is he’s entirely capable of pulling off ‘presidential’.

Which, gives the lie to the Trump caricature [pathologic personality; utterly incapable of controlling himself yada yada yada].

THAT is Trump’s biggest obstacle. Not Biden, the Democrats or their media lap dogs.

Trump’s biggest obstacle—is Trump.

As I have been saying since 2016, Trumps biggest enemy is his own big mouth and Tweeter.
 
“Hunter Biden's ex-business partner Tony Bobulinski confirmed on Thursday that he met with former Vice President Joe Biden regarding his son's business dealings and alleged that someone involved with the controversy had warned him about coming forward.
"I was told this past Sunday by somebody who was also involved in this matter that if I went public, this information -- it would 'bury all of us, man,'" Bobulinski alleged.
Bobulinski went on to accuse the former vice president of lying about his involvement with his son's business dealings, and indicated that his family sought to conceal his activities.
Specifically, Bobulinski alleges he met with the former vice president on May 2, 2017, introduced by his son, Hunter and brother, Jim.
HUNTER BIDEN BUSINESS ASSOCIATE'S TEXT MESSAGES INDICATE MEETING WITH JOE BIDEN
"At my approximately hour-long meeting with Joe that night we discussed the Bidens' history, the Bidens' family business plans with the Chinese, with which he was plainly familiar, at least at a high level," Bobulinski said.
Fox News previously obtained text messages from Bobulinski, a retired lieutenant in the U.S. Navy, and the former CEO of SinoHawk Holdings, which he said was the partnership between the CEFC/ Chairman Ye and the two Biden family members.
His latest comments came just before the final presidential debate, which President Trump invited him to attend. Fox News previously reported an email thread, initially released by the New York Post, which purportedly showed an equity split that would benefit "the big guy," who sources said was Joe Biden.
The email includes a note that “Hunter has some office expectations he will elaborate.” A proposed equity split references “20” for “H” and “10 held by H for the big guy?” with no further details.”
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hun...amily-paranoid
 
I think Biden has benefitted in both debates from low expectations that conservatives set for him for months. "Dementia Joe" was a terrible strategy for the right; when he shows up coherent and fairly articulate, it's a huge win for him.

I think Trump benefitted from the low expectations HE set for himself w/ his unhinged first debate. Last night, he was able to control himself and come across as reasonable - which was a huge win for him.
 
Trump did better than biden.


Biden has a lot to answer for with his corrupt crime family.


He also drove home the point that biden had close to 50 years to do what he said.
 
I think Biden has benefitted in both debates from low expectations that conservatives set for him for months. "Dementia Joe" was a terrible strategy for the right; when he shows up coherent and fairly articulate, it's a huge win for him.

I think Trump benefitted from the low expectations HE set for himself w/ his unhinged first debate. Last night, he was able to control himself and come across as reasonable - which was a huge win for him.





he had plenty of dementia moments but it seemed the adderall was working... note how he had a slew of notes, trump had none.


Trumps message was hope, recovery, and return to normal.


Biden was masks, tax, and stay closed......



Trump missed a great opportunity to explain minumum wage to biden though he's right, 15 an hour lin liberty, NC, you can live on, you can't in manhattan.


but what he should of said was "hey joe, if I have 3 employees I pay 10 bucks an hr and you demand I pay them 15 an hr, what happens? you get two employees for 15 doing more work and one unemployed"
 
he had plenty of dementia moments but it seemed the adderall was working... note how he had a slew of notes, trump had none.


Trumps message was hope, recovery, and return to normal.


Biden was masks, tax, and stay closed......



Trump missed a great opportunity to explain minumum wage to biden though he's right, 15 an hour lin liberty, NC, you can live on, you can't in manhattan.


but what he should of said was "hey joe, if I have 3 employees I pay 10 bucks an hr and you demand I pay them 15 an hr, what happens? you get two employees for 15 doing more work and one unemployed"

It was a draw, objectively. I'm sure most partisans thought their guy won; but it was a draw, or close enough to it so that it doesn't really have an impact either way.
 
It was a draw, objectively. I'm sure most partisans thought their guy won; but it was a draw, or close enough to it so that it doesn't really have an impact either way.

No, it was not a draw, objectively.

I have scored formal debate at the collegiate level and Biden’s score was well below President Trump’s...using the Rubric Template.

Of course that’s anecdotal, but true nonetheless.
 
It was a draw, objectively. I'm sure most partisans thought their guy won; but it was a draw, or close enough to it so that it doesn't really have an impact either way.

Trump was in dire need of a smashing victory from this debate last night, but instead he put on a mediocre performance that won't change anything, so from that point of view this was a loss for him.
 
It is what it is but his transparency is a polar opposite to Boss Burisma Beijing Buyden.

He is still the CEO in his mind and it did get him elected in 2016.

We shall see.

Yep, ... and Dementia Joe could not explain Hunter's laptop to the American people.
 
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