flash mob impeachment -no Presiding SCOTUS / no Hearings

Dutch Uncle said:
An noted previously, Congress is interested in both Justice and setting the legal foundation for preventing a lot of shit that Trump did from happening again.

In most instances, nothing will happen to Trump per se, in others he could face major problems. Like with Hillary's crimes, out of sight, out of mind. She's gone. Effectively kicked out of the DNC leadership structure so interest was lost in pursuing justice against her in court. Same for Trump in some areas, but in others, the gray areas, Congress wants a ruling. To get a ruling literally calls for making a Federal case out of it.
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Correct.

As for much of this going away, I do not seeing that happening, one is simply that the right keeps insisting on keeping the election and trump in the limelight, and as such I foresee a Special Prosecutor being assigned to investigate who did what during this election. The Dems will come off clean because their part has been investigated over and over and nothing major was found. Trump and the Republicans will not come off well, for one trump himself attempted on several occasions to cheat, heck one was caught on a recorded phone call, not to mention the culpability of several Congress Critters, is going to interesting to watch unfold, the Republicans and trump should have been more careful in what they wished for, they are about to get it, and they will not like the results.
 
CASPER said:
Correct.

As for much of this going away, I do not seeing that happening, one is simply that the right keeps insisting on keeping the election and trump in the limelight, and as such I foresee a Special Prosecutor being assigned to investigate who did what during this election. The Dems will come off clean because their part has been investigated over and over and nothing major was found. Trump and the Republicans will not come off well, for one trump himself attempted on several occasions to cheat, heck one was caught on a recorded phone call, not to mention the culpability of several Congress Critters, is going to interesting to watch unfold, the Republicans and trump should have been more careful in what they wished for, they are about to get it, and they will not like the results.
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While the results are true, the motive is not what you are implying; the Republican leadership hates Trump, but they are scared of Trump fans who have proved to be psychotic, delusional and violent. They're afraid of assassination attempts, bombings and mass attacks. This will take a little time to both cool down and put all the militia leaders who planned the insurrection to be tried, convicted and imprisoned.

Personally, the best way to root out the enemy is to let them reveal themselves somehow.
 
CASPER said:
IF trump had simply said the election was over and Biden won and left it there the events on Jan 6 would never have occurred and at this point trump would enjoying his civilian life. But instead trump claimed that if he lost it would be only because the election was rigged, when he did lose he and his minions continued to make the same claim and took to the courts over 80 times and lost every one except 1. All that lead up to sitting the stage for Jan 6, he even told his followers to come to Washington and get wild, he told them they had to fight to save their country and during the riot/insurrection instead of trying to put a stop to it he was calling those hiding from the mob trying to get them to overturn the election. No, the entire mess was a direct result of trumps Lies, he still claims the same lies are true, there is no remorse and he refuses to take any responsibility for what happened, the guy is mentally ill and a danger to the Republic and as such he needs to be held accountable and should be barred from ever holding any political office again, especially that of President. Trump is going to be sued over and over and there are criminal charges pending for a range of criminal activity and he is going to learn to regret ever having been President of the United States of America and he deserves whatever comes his way.
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Assumptions, that would never stand up in a real trial.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
While the results are true, the motive is not what you are implying; the Republican leadership hates Trump, but they are scared of Trump fans who have proved to be psychotic, delusional and violent. They're afraid of assassination attempts, bombings and mass attacks. This will take a little time to both cool down and put all the militia leaders who planned the insurrection to be tried, convicted and imprisoned.

Personally, the best way to root out the enemy is to let them reveal themselves somehow.
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The Repubs will remain afraid and I feel no pity for them, they are part of the reason they are in the position they are in.

Absolutely, and they cannot help themselves, never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.
 
Darth Omar said:
Assumptions, that would never stand up in a real trial.
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Think we are going to be testing that theory on several occasions this year in both civil and criminal courts, the right wanted investigations and their day in court and they are going to get exactly that.
 
CASPER said:
The Repubs will remain afraid and I feel no pity for them, they are part of the reason they are in the position they are in.

Absolutely, and they cannot help themselves, never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.
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Irony alert lol.

Word on the street is democrats see the writing on the wall in the Senate so they are busy crafting other legal ‘innovations’ to try and drive a stake into the heart of the Bad Orange Man, finally.

Meanwhile, natives in the electorate are getting restless over the economy, the seemingly 4-ever China Virus dystopia, jobs, China, and Democrats are busy doing what...?

Conjuring ways to get Trump. Again. This is a mistake, politically. Trust me on this.
 
CASPER said:
Correct.

As for much of this going away, I do not seeing that happening, one is simply that the right keeps insisting on keeping the election and trump in the limelight, and as such I foresee a Special Prosecutor being assigned to investigate who did what during this election. The Dems will come off clean because their part has been investigated over and over and nothing major was found. Trump and the Republicans will not come off well, for one trump himself attempted on several occasions to cheat, heck one was caught on a recorded phone call, not to mention the culpability of several Congress Critters, is going to interesting to watch unfold, the Republicans and trump should have been more careful in what they wished for, they are about to get it, and they will not like the results.
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rofl..
 
Darth Omar said:
What other kind are there lol?
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Most impeachments are for judges. There are also impeachments for civil offices. Most impeachments are not Presidential impeachments.

In almost every piece of Senate business, the Vice President has the right to preside. The Founding Fathers made one exception, and that is an impeachment of the President. The Vice President would be too linked to the President to preside. For all other impeachments, the Vice President can preside, if she wants to.

Vice Presidents almost always leave presiding over the Senate to the Senate, because they have so little work to do in the Senate. If they are needed as a tie breaker, they show up, but other than that they mostly work out of the White House. Harris is keeping to this trend.

That leaves Leahy presiding, as he would almost certainly do in any impeachment other than the President's.
 
CASPER said:
The Repubs will remain afraid and I feel no pity for them, they are part of the reason they are in the position they are in.

Absolutely, and they cannot help themselves, never interrupt your enemy while he is making a mistake.
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Their problems are certainly their own problems to solve. That said, their problems and their solutions impact the Federal government which is why I am concerned about how both parties conduct themselves even though I'm not a member of either now.

I'd rejoin the RNC if they ever pulled their heads out of their asses. I was never a Democrat.
 
anatta said:
CASPER said:
Correct.

As for much of this going away, I do not seeing that happening, one is simply that the right keeps insisting on keeping the election and trump in the limelight, and as such I foresee a Special Prosecutor being assigned to investigate who did what during this election. The Dems will come off clean because their part has been investigated over and over and nothing major was found. Trump and the Republicans will not come off well, for one trump himself attempted on several occasions to cheat, heck one was caught on a recorded phone call, not to mention the culpability of several Congress Critters, is going to interesting to watch unfold, the Republicans and trump should have been more careful in what they wished for, they are about to get it, and they will not like the results.
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rofl..
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Darth Omar said:
Assumptions, that would never stand up in a real trial.
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There are two types of trials, criminal trials and civil trials. trump has a good shot at getting away with this in a criminal trial, with its beyond a reasonable doubt standard. There are other charges which he has less chance of getting away with in a criminal court. In a civil court, it is just a preponderance of the evidence (51% of the evidence), which means trump would be found against.

An impeachment uses a lower standard of evidence than even a civil trial. If you go to your boss, "maybe I am guilty, and maybe I am not", she will fire your ass. Any reasonable possibility of guilt is enough to fire.

The safe guard that the Founding Fathers built in was that over two thirds of the vote in the Senate was needed. That is the tall bar to get over, not the evidence.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Their problems are certainly their own problems to solve. That said, their problems and their solutions impact the Federal government which is why I am concerned about how both parties conduct themselves even though I'm not a member of either now.

I'd rejoin the RNC if they ever pulled their heads out of their asses. I was never a Democrat.
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Agree.

I have never been a Dem or Repub, being an Independent and only have the Nation to hold ones loyalty to is liberating. I have supported Both Parties on an individual basis, in 2016 I voted almost straight Republican but refused to pick among the Presidential candidates because I saw both as unfit. In 2020 I voted straight Democrat because I saw that trump had to go for the good of the Nation and that the Repubs were not representing the People or the Party any longer but instead had become sycophants of a mentally ill President, he still keeps them in fear.

I would Love to see the Repubs take back their Party but that is not going to happen any time soon, and until then I will not support any Republican at the polls.
 
Darth Omar said:
Irony alert lol.

Word on the street is democrats see the writing on the wall in the Senate so they are busy crafting other legal ‘innovations’ to try and drive a stake into the heart of the Bad Orange Man, finally.

Meanwhile, natives in the electorate are getting restless over the economy, the seemingly 4-ever China Virus dystopia, jobs, China, and Democrats are busy doing what...?

Conjuring ways to get Trump. Again. This is a mistake, politically. Trust me on this.
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The Dems have always known they had the 14th A to fall back on, they are just putting the Repubs on record whether support insurrections or not, we already know the answer but it needs to be recorded.

The President has been very busy working hard, unlike the one before him who was doing nothing for months. The Dems have and are dealing with all those issues, I assume that you believe politicians can only deal with one issue at the time, sorry but that is just a diversional tactic.
 
The postpartum Trump impeachment is merely an indication that America retains a modicum of civil life under law.

He has not been dragged out of his Florida hideaway and torn limb from limb.

Those were the only two plausible options.
Objecting to the first leaves only the second.
 
anatta said:
no.
the Special Prosecutor is a Dem favorite - ruination by the death of a 1000 cuts
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You must have been too young during the Clinton years and forgotten that trump has called for one several times. A Special Prosecutor can investigate the entire election and get to the bottom of if any election fraud or interference was committed and name those that actually committed it, why on earth would you be against that. Are you interested in the Truth or would you rather not face it?
 
CASPER said:
Agree.

I have never been a Dem or Repub, being an Independent and only have the Nation to hold ones loyalty to is liberating. I have supported Both Parties on an individual basis, in 2016 I voted almost straight Republican but refused to pick among the Presidential candidates because I saw both as unfit. In 2020 I voted straight Democrat because I saw that trump had to go for the good of the Nation and that the Repubs were not representing the People or the Party any longer but instead had become sycophants of a mentally ill President, he still keeps them in fear.

I would Love to see the Repubs take back their Party but that is not going to happen any time soon, and until then I will not support any Republican at the polls.
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Initially I thought loyal Republican conservatives would have to leave for the Libertarian or gather in some other party but if Trump actually floats his Patriot Party, then Trump will solve the Republican party problems by removing all of the nutjobs.

Foreigners like Dachshund and Primavera will continue to side with Trump even though they can't vote in the US, but most of the RWNJs on JPP will, without a doubt, become Patriot Party members.

Sane conservatives, especially among the Independents, would join or, as in my case, rejoin an RNC restored to pre-Teabagger sanity.
 
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