Will the the price of gas keep going up in the USA ?

When did we destroy our energy independence, seems I missed the news???
Biden rings death knell for America’s energy independence
https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/02/08/biden-rings-death-knell-for-americas-energy-independence/
As we produce less oil and gas domestically, two bad things will happen. First, gas prices are going to rise rapidly — perhaps to above $4 a gallon. Prices have already started to rise at the pump to more than $2.50 a gallon in many markets. Second, we will make up for the lost domestic energy production by importing more energy from Saudi Arabia, Russia and OPEC nations.

We will reverse the energy independence achieved under former President Donald Trump to dependency on OPEC nations under Biden. This certainly isn’t good for the U.S. economy and jobs here at home. But it’s great news for the Saudi oil sheiks, Russia’s Vladimir Putin and the communists in Beijing — all of whom are going to make out like bandits. They can’t believe their good fortune.
 
yes we were to get domestic oil from keystone.

No we weren't.

That Canadian crude was going to go to China.

We already get Canadian sludge from the Tar Sands, and we get so much of it that it's discounted because it's oversupplied in the US.

KXL will remove that discount, which will increase oil prices. We know this because it's what TransCanada literally said in their permit application.


and oil is fungible - subject to worldwide supply and demand

Not at all.

The price of oil is largely controlled by OPEC, and they cut or ramp up production not because of supply and demand, but because of profits and losses.
 
Biden rings death knell for America’s energy independence


Tar Sands sludge isn't domestic oil, it's Canadian oil, and we get so much of it right now that it's discounted for us.

KXL will remove that discount and the price of oil will go up.

We know this to be true, because TransCanada said so explicitly in their permit application:

“Existing markets for Canadian heavy crude, principally PADD II [U.S. Midwest], are currently oversupplied, resulting in price discounting for Canadian heavy crude oil. Access to the USGC [U.S. Gulf Coast] via the Keystone XL Pipeline is expected to strengthen Canadian crude oil pricing in [the Midwest] by removing this oversupply. This is expected to increase the price of heavy crude to the equivalent cost of imported crude. The resultant increase in the price of heavy crude is estimated to provide an increase in annual revenue to the Canadian producing industry in 2013 of US $2 billion to US $3.9 billion.”

Now, do rising energy prices create or kill jobs?
 
No we weren't.

That Canadian crude was going to go to China.

We already get Canadian sludge from the Tar Sands, and we get so much of it that it's discounted because it's oversupplied in the US.

KXL will remove that discount, which will increase oil prices. We know this because it's what TransCanada literally said in their permit application.




Not at all.

The price of oil is largely controlled by OPEC, and they cut or ramp up production not because of supply and demand, but because of profits and losses.
waste of my time as usual

Keystone XL pipeline "doesn’t even have any oil for America."
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...ibrand/will-oil-keystone-xl-pipeline-stay-us/
Gillibrand said the Keystone XL pipeline "doesn’t even have any oil for America."

Experts say the oil will not be exported straight to other countries, as Gillibrand said.

It is true that exports of petroleum products from Gulf Coast refineries have increased considerably in recent years. That’s part of why PolitiFact rated a similar statement by Obama Mostly False in 2014. While the trend adds a grain of truth to her claim, it does not mean all of the oil that will come from the Keystone XL pipeline will be immediately exported.

We rate Gillibrand’s claim Mostly False.
 
waste of my time as usual

You're a liar.

TransCanada literally said themselves that the purpose of KXL is to increase the price of Canadian Crude by diverting the oil to the USGC where it can be sold globally at a higher price than it's currently being sold to the US.

They said it, not me.

They
are the ones telling you that you're wrong and stupid, not me.

They are the ones who are saying KXL will increase Canadian profits by $3B annually.

For some reason, you don't want to listen to them, even though they're the ones building the pipeline.

You're insisting that the reason TransCanada gave for the pipeline on their permit application is untrue.

And if it's untrue, then that means the basis for KXL is based on a lie...which invalidates it completely.
 
Experts say the oil will not be exported straight to other countries, as Gillibrand said. It is true that exports of petroleum products from Gulf Coast refineries have increased considerably in recent years. That’s part of why PolitiFact rated a similar statement by Obama Mostly False in 2014. While the trend adds a grain of truth to her claim, it does not mean all of the oil that will come from the Keystone XL pipeline will be immediately exported.

That's not what I'm talking about.

I'm not talking about it being exported right away, I'm talking about its cost going up because it can be exported right away.

What about this below paragraph from TransCanada do you not understand?

“Existing markets for Canadian heavy crude, principally PADD II [U.S. Midwest], are currently oversupplied, resulting in price discounting for Canadian heavy crude oil. Access to the USGC [U.S. Gulf Coast] via the Keystone XL Pipeline is expected to strengthen Canadian crude oil pricing in [the Midwest] by removing this oversupply. This is expected to increase the price of heavy crude to the equivalent cost of imported crude. The resultant increase in the price of heavy crude is estimated to provide an increase in annual revenue to the Canadian producing industry in 2013 of US $2 billion to US $3.9 billion.”
 
It was only a temporary stop on Federal land leases, we do not get squat from keystone has Zero to do with our prices, they have not stopped drilling in the gulf.

https://biologicaldiversity.org/w/n...-oil-lease-sale-in-gulf-of-mexico-2021-02-12/

WASHINGTON— The Biden administration has cancelled a March 17 oil and gas lease sale that would have auctioned off over 78 million acres in the Gulf of Mexico. The Bureau of Ocean Energy Management also recently cancelled the public meetings and comment period for an upcoming fossil fuel lease sale in Alaska’s Cook Inlet.

Both offshore oil auctions were scheduled for this year as part of the 2017-2022 federal offshore leasing program. President Joe Biden issued an executive order on Jan. 27 directing federal agencies to suspend oil and gas leasing of federal lands and waters pending a review of the program.

“Cancelling this huge offshore Gulf oil auction helps protect our climate and life on Earth. President Biden understands the urgent need to keep this oil in the ground,” said Kristen Monsell, oceans legal director with the Center for Biological Diversity. “This is a great step toward phasing out all offshore drilling and bringing environmental justice to the Gulf Coast and Alaska. We need to help restore coastal communities and marine life.”

BOEM announced today it is rescinding the record of decision for the March 17 lease sale, which effectively cancels the sale.

The Trump administration held eight offshore lease sales during its term, including six in the Gulf of Mexico of more than 75 million acres each — the largest oil lease sales in U.S. history. Of the nearly 517 million acres offered to the oil industry during those sales, the industry leased only about 4.6 million acres, mostly in the Gulf.

Trump’s administration held these lease sales without carefully analyzing their climate impacts or impacts on species like critically endangered Gulf of Mexico Bryde’s whales or Cook Inlet beluga whales, already threatened by existing oil and gas activity. He and his appointees proposed a five-year program that would have expanded offshore leasing into almost all U.S. oceans, which was abandoned in the face of widespread opposition and legal setbacks. The Center and other environmental groups have called on President Biden to permanently withdraw all unleased portions of the Outer Continental Shelf, thereby halting all new oil and gas lease sales for good.

The urgent need is kickbacks from OPEC
 
Gas was extremely high under Obama!

It was higher under Trump.

And BTW - OPEC controls oil prices, and subsequently gas prices, not POTUS.

But you knew that, you're just being stupid on a message board because you can, and because no one -not even you- will hold you accountable for that shitty, juvenile behavior.
 
It was higher under Trump.

And BTW - OPEC controls oil prices, and subsequently gas prices, not POTUS.

But you knew that, you're just being stupid on a message board because you can, and because no one -not even you- will hold you accountable for that shitty, juvenile behavior.

When we stop drilling they raise prices, Gas was extremely low under Trump!
 
That's not what I'm talking about.

I'm not talking about it being exported right away, I'm talking about its cost going up because it can be exported right away.

What about this below paragraph from TransCanada do you not understand?

“Existing markets for Canadian heavy crude, principally PADD II [U.S. Midwest], are currently oversupplied, resulting in price discounting for Canadian heavy crude oil. Access to the USGC [U.S. Gulf Coast] via the Keystone XL Pipeline is expected to strengthen Canadian crude oil pricing in [the Midwest] by removing this oversupply. This is expected to increase the price of heavy crude to the equivalent cost of imported crude. The resultant increase in the price of heavy crude is estimated to provide an increase in annual revenue to the Canadian producing industry in 2013 of US $2 billion to US $3.9 billion.”
you fucking idiot that is on the PERMIT REQUEST -what's the date?
where is the oversupply now? WTF do you mean "exported right away?"

take it up with PolitiFact. I have no more time for your obstinate stupidity
 
Demand and supply! The economy was much stronger then, than it is now.
economy roared under Trump pre-COVID.

The supply and demand is KSA wanting to keep OPEC supplies down ( to work off inventory)
but Russia wants to export more ( being a "glorified gas station: as Mccain called it
 
economy roared under Trump pre-COVID.

The supply and demand is KSA wanting to keep OPEC supplies down ( to work off inventory)
but Russia wants to export more ( being a "glorified gas station: as Mccain called it

Please do not pretend that you have even a fucking idea of what you are talking about. At no time did the trump economy ever exceed what the Obama administration accomplished. Its been 13 months now that our economy had been in the dumps.
 
You bet it will . be prepared its gone up a lot from last year and will keep going up.
why do you think it went up?


In January, 2020, oil was about $63 per barrel. In April after the pandemic hit it went down to $37 due to decreased travel. That oil bust lost 100,000 oilfield jobs including 60,000 in Texas.

Today it is about $66 per barrel. So, we are just recovering from the bust caused by the pandemic and future anticipation of more traveling this spring and summer.
 
economy roared under Trump pre-COVID.

The supply and demand is KSA wanting to keep OPEC supplies down ( to work off inventory)
but Russia wants to export more ( being a "glorified gas station: as Mccain called it

OPEC nations are cutting back on Crude Drilling in order to increase the price of their crude- and are re-tooling for DRILLING NATURAL GAS!

This is causing the price to inflate!

Please! For your own good, don't give up your day job!
 
Back
Top