US prosecutors Portland dropping almost all charges on rioters

Into the Night said:
The riot in front of the Capitol building was by Antifa and BLM.
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Ah, that explains all those known Trump supporters, the MAGA hats, and the virtually all white mob - and how dumb of Trump not to know when he riled them up before their march. Anyway, you must be in favor of jailing the lot of them.
 
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martin said:
Ah, that explains all those known Trump supporters, the MAGA hats, and the virtually all white mob - and how dumb of Trump not to know when he riled them up before their march. Anyway, you must be in favor of jailing the lot of them.
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Denial of history. Bigotry.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Hey, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy in this. It's another case of the "Hillary defense." Rioters in Portland walk from the same charges leveled against rioters at the Capitol--and who often did worse than the Capitol rioters--but the federal persecutors are going full tilt to convict the later, now obviously in good part because of their politics not their crimes.
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When precisely did the US Capitol move to Portland before it moved back to DC?
Which person protected by the Secret Service was in a building in Portland that the rioters entered?

Somehow I don't think you are even vaguely aware of the charges against the insurrectionists on Jan 6.
 
Poor Richard Saunders said:
When precisely did the US Capitol move to Portland before it moved back to DC?
Which person protected by the Secret Service was in a building in Portland that the rioters entered?

Somehow I don't think you are even vaguely aware of the charges against the insurrectionists on Jan 6.
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The Capitol is a federal building. The federal courthouse in Portland is a federal building. Nobody in the Capitol on the day of the riot was protected by the Secret Service. Somehow I don't think you are even vaguely aware of what happened.

As for me, I know what they were charged with, and not one has been charged with insurrection, sedition, or treason so they obviously aren't "insurrectionists" as you claim.

https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The Capitol is a federal building. The federal courthouse in Portland is a federal building. Nobody in the Capitol on the day of the riot was protected by the Secret Service. Somehow I don't think you are even vaguely aware of what happened.

As for me, I know what they were charged with, and not one has been charged with insurrection, sedition, or treason so they obviously aren't "insurrectionists" as you claim.

https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
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It seems you still don't understand the charges.
I suggest you look at some of them and then actually research the law they are charged with breaking.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases


40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(2) - Violent Entry and Disorderly Conduct on Capitol Grounds,
A Federal Courthouse is not the Capitol. Never has been and never will be.

Are you sure no one at the Capitol that day was protected by the Secret Service? Who was the crowd threatening to hang? If you search you will even find video of the person protected by the Secret Service being moved along with the "football". Who did Trump attack for not overturning the election for him when they accepted the votes by the electoral college as required?

Somehow, I don't think I am the one that is not even vaguely aware of what happened.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The Capitol is a federal building. The federal courthouse in Portland is a federal building. Nobody in the Capitol on the day of the riot was protected by the Secret Service. Somehow I don't think you are even vaguely aware of what happened.

As for me, I know what they were charged with, and not one has been charged with insurrection, sedition, or treason so they obviously aren't "insurrectionists" as you claim.

https://www.insider.com/all-the-us-capitol-pro-trump-riot-arrests-charges-names-2021-1
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases
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Why bother explaining the obvious to the obvious dumb fuck?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed it would be a good strategy. OTOH, it appears the cases being dropped for budgetary reasons. If I were a state or Federal employee attacked by these assholes, I'd be pissed.

Let's hope money if found to prosecute the criminals.
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The assault on officers are being prosecuted. Who were you referring to?
 
Phantasmal said:
The assault on officers are being prosecuted. Who were you referring to?
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Portland: https://www.wsj.com/articles/almost...tland-rioters-have-been-dismissed-11618501979
Of 96 cases the U.S. attorney’s office in Portland filed last year charging protesters with federal crimes, including assaulting federal officers, civil disorder, and failing to obey, prosecutors have dropped 47 of them, government documents show. Ten people have pleaded guilty to related charges and two were ordered detained pending trial. None have gone to trial.

As the WSJ article notes, the cases were resolved for different reasons. Mostly community service in plea deals. Some charges were dropped due to lack of merit.

Example: "The government reviewed some cases and agreed no crime was committed or found other reasons to drop the charges, Ms. Hay, the public defender, said. “Many of these cases originated in chaos and darkness, after officers charged out of the federal courthouse at night and arrested people who had not dispersed,” she said.

Prosecutors last week, for example, moved to dismiss “in the interest of justice” a charge of assaulting a federal officer they filed last July against a Texas man, David Bouchard, who showed up at a nighttime protest with a leaf blower to disperse police tear gas and ended up on the ground with two police officers, according to an affidavit.

“We reviewed video that showed he didn’t try to hurt any U.S. officer,” Mr. Bouchard’s attorney, Ernest Warren, said. “I think the U.S. attorney’s office in Oregon was very reasonable, and they looked at the circumstances of his case.”
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,

T. A. Gardner said:
In a switch of administrations, the US Attorney's office in Portland is dropping most of their cases against rioters there including at least sixteen (16) cases of felony assault on a federal officer--many of these on video as well.


https://www.thewashingtontime.com/m...pects-wont-be-prosecuted-us-attorney-reveals/

It would seem only those who were caught with the most absolute of proof are even being pushed for plea deals, the rest are simply being let go.

My suspicion is that this wholesale dropping of charges many of which are far worse, with equal or better evidence to that of the Capitol riot will be used in defense of Capitol rioters who will now argue that their prosecution is political, not criminal, in nature.
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Your link explains why:

“I think the federal government went overboard in some of the ways they addressed these protests,” said Hay, “And what we’re seeing now is many of the cases that were brought because of the federal government’s overreach are now being dismissed.”

" Kevin Sonoff, public affairs officer for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Oregon, issued a statement which reads in part, “Dismissals are very case-specific and based on our assessment of available evidence. If we do not believe we can prove a charge beyond a reasonable doubt, we will dismiss the case.” "
 
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Poor Richard Saunders said:
It seems you still don't understand the charges.
I suggest you look at some of them and then actually research the law they are charged with breaking.
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/capitol-breach-cases


40 U.S.C. § 5104(e)(2) - Violent Entry and Disorderly Conduct on Capitol Grounds,
A Federal Courthouse is not the Capitol. Never has been and never will be.
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Red herring fallacy. In the case of the Portland federal courthouse, the protesters never gained entry so they couldn't be charged with trespass could they?

https://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/...imes-committed-during-portland-demonstrations

However, there are charges on that list that are very serious felonies like arson and assault with a deadly weapon.

Are you sure no one at the Capitol that day was protected by the Secret Service? Who was the crowd threatening to hang? If you search you will even find video of the person protected by the Secret Service being moved along with the "football". Who did Trump attack for not overturning the election for him when they accepted the votes by the electoral college as required?
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Then present that source. I shouldn't have to do your homework. As for the last sentence, it is nothing more than a complex question fallacy in the form of an ipse dixit (he said it himself) fallacy. Ipse dixitism is a form of political argument meant to provide an internal right - wrong conclusion from the statement itself.

Somehow, I don't think I am the one that is not even vaguely aware of what happened.
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Somehow you are wrong. And, don't think. You don't do it very well as it is.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello T. A. Gardner,



Your link explains why:

“I think the federal government went overboard in some of the ways they addressed these protests,” said Hay, “And what we’re seeing now is many of the cases that were brought because of the federal government’s overreach are now being dismissed.” \

" Kevin Sonoff, public affairs officer for the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Oregon, issued a statement which reads in part, “Dismissals are very case-specific and based on our assessment of available evidence. If we do not believe we can prove a charge beyond a reasonable doubt, we will dismiss the case.” "
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I apply the same exact standard to the Capitol riot...
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello T. A. Gardner,

I have not heard of any of the insurrectionists having their cases dismissed. I don't think they are being brought in unless investigators believe there is a provable case.
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The only reason the ones in Portland were is because the (somebody's in charge) administration is rife with radical Leftists who don't want to punish their own...
 
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