Hamas doesn’t want a Palestinian state, only fools think otherwise

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Indeed I very much doubt it, if they did then they would avoid Hamas like the plague. This ties in very nicely with my other thread about the Left exacerbating the situation. No bans, I want them to show themselves for what they are, don't disappoint me.

Do Hamas’s supporters in the West know what this organisation really stands for? The reality is that Hamas is no liberation movement in search of a Palestinian nation. Instead, it seeks the destruction of Israel and the establishment of an Islamic empire on its ruins. How do we know? Because senior Hamas leader Mahmoud al-Zahar has said so:
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“Islamic and traditional views reject the notion of establishing an independent Palestinian state… In the past, there was no independent Palestinian state… This is a holy land. It is not the property of the Palestinians or the Arabs. This land is the property of all Muslims in all parts of the world… [Hence] our main goal is to establish a great Islamic state, be it pan-Arabic or pan-Islamic.
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Understanding this makes it clear that the most recent bout of fighting — in which thousands of rockets have been fired and dozens killed — has little to do with freeing Palestinians from Israeli domination. It is inspired instead by the idea of freeing the Holy Land from Israel.

When Mahmoud Abbas, president of the Palestinian Authority, called off the first elections in 15 years last month — fearing that Hamas might seize control once again — Islamist groups swiftly played up the age-old conspiracy of a Jewish threat to the al-Aqsa mosque. First, Hamas drew thousands of rioters to Temple Mount. Then it fired a barrage of rockets at Israeli towns near Gaza under the false pretence of protecting the Jerusalem rioters.

Israel’s restrained response indicated a clear reluctance to escalate. The government used minimal force to restrain the Temple Mount rioters. But Hamas upped the ante and threatened a missile strike on Jerusalem. The terror group demanded the withdrawal of Israeli forces and the cessation of court proceedings by Israeli settlers to evict Palestinians from a neighbourhood in Israeli-annexed East Jerusalem.


No sovereign state could accept a dictate by a terrorist organisation, especially one committed to its destruction. And given a liberal state cannot order its judiciary to cease court proceedings for political reasons, Israel declined and Hamas made good on its threat. On 10 May, it bombed the Holy City as Israelis were celebrating Jerusalem Day. This armed attack on the nation’s capital left Israel’s government little choice but to respond robustly. After all, what else can be done when terrorists try to kill your citizens?

What has made this latest conflagration particularly traumatic for Israeli Jews is not Hamas’s missiles, but rather the tidal wave of violence unleashed by some of their Arab compatriots in support of Hamas. The cities of Jaffa, Haifa, Acre, Ramla, and Lod — once considered showcases of Arab-Jewish co-existence — have been rocked by mass violence and vandalism. Synagogues and religious seminaries have been torched. Torah scrolls desecrated. Jewish residents attacked in their homes by Arab neighbours with whom they had co-existed peacefully for decades.

Reluctant to acknowledge this volcanic eruption for what it is — a nationalist and Islamist insurrection, rejecting the Arab minority status in the Jewish state — some attribute this uptick in violence to the supposed longstanding discrimination and marginalisation of the Arab minority. But the idea of discrimination couldn’t be further from the truth. Why? Because the riots came after a decade of unprecedented government investment in Arab neighbourhoods and businesses, including a 15 billion shekel (£3.3 billion) socioeconomic aid programme.

Of course, those rioting may not represent the bulk of Israeli Arabs, who want nothing more than to live peacefully. They wish only to get on with their lives and take advantage of the freedoms and opportunities afforded by Israel, no matter how much they might resent their minority status in a Jewish state. Yet from the start of the Arab-Israeli conflict a century ago, Palestinian Arab society has been badly represented by its leadership; and it has been swayed too by a sufficiently large militant minority that seeks to impose its will on the silent majority at the cost of repeated disasters.

While many in the West are quick to condemn Israel for its response to Hamas’s rockets, they must face up to the fact that Hamas does not only have its eyes on the Holy Land. Instead, this is a terror organisation committed to global Islamic hegemony. As Khaled Mash’al, Hamas’s long-time leader, put it in 2006, when a tidal wave of Muslim violence swept across the world in response to satirical depictions of Muhammed in a Danish newspaper:
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“By Allah, you will be defeated... Hurry up and apologise to our nation, because if you do not, you will regret it... Tomorrow, our nation will sit on the throne of the world. This is not a figment of the imagination but a fact. Tomorrow we will lead the world, Allah willing.
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Mash’al’s words make it clear there is no difference between Hamas’s commitment to Israel’s destruction and the Islamists’ plans for the West. To imagine that Hamas can be appeased or deflected is to make a big mistake. Countries like Britain must stand by Israel — and be prepared to call out Hamas for what it is.


Written by Efraim Karsh

Efraim Karsh is emeritus professor of Middle East and Mediterranean Studies at King’s College London and director of the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies, Bar-Ilan University. He is the author of 'Palestine Betrayed', 'Arafat’s War' and 'Islamic Imperialism: A History'.

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Hamas doesn’t want a Palestinian state, only fools think otherwise

Cheap provocation, maggot. Pitiful. Really.
 
Says the arsehole that uses cheap anti-Semitic imagery and then denies he's a Jew hater.

Prosemitic cretin.
Shakespeare wasn't ' antisemitic ', maggot- nor was Dickens.
Disliking Rasputin is not grounds for Russophobia. You're a numpty.
....and your fig-leaf is worn out.
 
Prosemitic cretin.
Shakespeare wasn't ' antisemitic ', maggot- nor was Dickens.
Disliking Rasputin is not grounds for Russophobia. You're a numpty.
....and your fig-leaf is worn out.

Of course they were, but then that was normal back then. You don't even have that as an excuse, lying turd!
 
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Hamas doesn’t want a Palestinian state, only fools think otherwise

Of course hamas does not want to actually govern. They want to RULE and have a subserviant populace.

Governing requires law and order ... hamas wants their law to be sharia law ... which requires EVERYONE to CONVERT OR DIE. They are unwilling to establish a government that would allow diverse opinions ... in fact when you look at all the different muzzie sects ... they can't even get along with each other. I guess it's time to remind the non-muzzies here that there is a sutra in the muzzie book that talks about FRIENDLY AND UNFRIENDLY TRIBES. And it goes even further to allow both sides to declare a jihad (holy war) ... meaning that if they die fighting each other ... they go straight to paradise (an interesting concept since meare mortals are now telling the big guy who gets into paradise). But the part about al-lah getting to pick and choose just who makes it across the bridge over the lake of fire is in another sutra ... so they don't talk about that. It's how they get a bunch of horny teens and preteens to go stompping across minefields in hope of getting 72 VIRGINS (which the muzzie book does not offer ... the muzzie book promises 72 white raisins ... has anyone ever seen a white raisin ... Dole and Del Monte haven't either or they'd be marketing the hell out of them) when they get to paradise.

NO ... hamas is NOT at all interested in governing ... it's too easy for them to whine and beg for funds instead of actually building a state and and an economy ... it's far easier to destroy than to build
 
Anybody? I am guessing there will be the usual wall of silence from the Wokerati.

Did you know that for the past three weeks Turkey has been engaged in a military assault on Iraqi Kurdistan? It’s been brutal. The Turks, who have one of the most powerful military forces on Earth, have used F-16s, F-4 Terminators and other terrifying hi-tech weaponry to pummel Kurdish positionsin northern Iraq

Families have fled their homes in terror. Livelihoods have been destroyed.

‘Every day, every night… we are being bombed. Our lands are being destroyed. We cannot grow our crops’, says a Kurdish farmer.
It’s unclear how many people have died. According to Turkey, dozens of Kurdish people, mostly militants, apparently, have been.

Have you seen any big, rowdy protests in the UK about this worrying act of asymmetrical warfare? Have you seen any footballers wave the Kurdish flag in solidarity with displaced, terrified Kurds? Have you seen social media swamped by furious denunciations of the ‘bloodthirsty’ Turks and outpourings of love and concern for the brutalised Kurds?

I haven’t. I have seen all of that kind of stuff in relation to Israel, constantly, every minute of every day — loud and ever-more self-righteous condemnations of Israel for being a vile, evil, crime-committing nation, a pox on the Earth. But on Turkey’s latest assault on the Kurds? Nothing. Not a peep. Carry on, Turkey — no one’s watching.

There’s a question that hangs like a long, dark shadow over Western leftists’ and liberals’ furious opposition to Israel, and I have never heard a satisfactory answer to it. It’s this: why do you hate Israel more than any other nation?

Why does Israeli militarism offend and horrify you more than Turkish militarism, or Saudi militarism, or American and British militarism for that matter? Why is it ‘genocide’ and ‘war crimes’ and ‘bloodletting’ when Israel takes action against Palestinian militants, but not when Turkey takes action against Kurdish militants? Seriously — what is the answer?

Turkey’s incursion into Iraqi Kurdistan is called Operation Claw-Lightning. It started on 23 April. It is part of Turkey’s long-running war with the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), the militant Kurdish organisation dedicated to creating an independent Kurdistan and based mainly in south-eastern Turkey and northern Iraq.

Operation Claw-Lightning is a follow-up to Operation Claw, a Turkish onslaught in Iraqi Kurdistan that lasted from May 2019 to June 2020. Hundreds of people were killed or wounded in that operation. These operations, of course, are only the latest flare-ups in Turkey’s 40-year war with Kurdish militants, which has led to the deaths of around 20,000 Kurdish civilians and the destruction of between 2,500 and 4,000 Kurdish villages.

So where are the Kurdish flags on caring people’s social-media feeds? Why doesn’t Sky News have pained-looking reporters in Iraqi Kurdistan talking to families who have been displaced by the Turkish bombardment? Why haven’t tens of thousands of Brits taken to the streets to register their fury with Turkey, as they have done with Israel following its latest conflict with Hamas in Gaza?

Saudi Arabia can bomb a school bus and kill 40 children, as part of its brutal war in Yemen, and most Western campaigners don’t lose a wink of sleep. But Israel just has to start wheeling its military aircraft out of the hangar and they’re up at the crack of dawn on a Saturday, dusting down their Palestinian flags, putting the finishing touches to their ‘Israel is Evil’ placards, and taking to the streets in their tens of thousands to condemn this most wicked, genocidal, apartheid state.
On the rare occasion they do try to justify their feverish obsession with Israel, it just doesn’t add up. The Israel-Palestine conflict has been going on for decades and it’s really tragic, they say. And Israel is supported by our governments, so we have a responsibility to act, they insist. What’s more, Israel occupies Palestinian land and that just has to be challenged, they argue.

But all of these things can be said about Turkey versus Kurdistan. It’s a very old conflict. Turkey is a Western ally; it’s a member of Nato for heaven’s sake. And Turkey occupies what many, many people consider to be Kurdish land. So, again, answer this question: why does Israel offend you more than Turkey does?
To be clear, I am not comparing Israel to Turkey. Israel, unlike Turkey, faces an existential threat. It is surrounded by hostility. Hamas is an extremist Islamist movement whose founding charter was full of anti-Semitism. Hamas’s aim is less to build an independent nation state than to punish the Jews. It is currently firing hundreds of missiles directly into Israel.

Whatever one might think of the PKK, it isn’t doing any of these things right now. And yet Israel is loathed for defending itself from missiles fired by an anti-Jewish terrorist organisation, while Turkey is ignored despite continuing its long, ugly war with Kurdish forces.

It seems to me that, increasingly, there is nothing very rational or normal about the hatred for Israel that sporadically sweeps the West. Rather, Israel has become a whipping boy for the elites, a nation that has cynically been turned into the embodiment of evil by virtue-signalling Westerners in desperate need for an outlet for their rage and pontification.

If there is another, more convincing explanation for today’s furious anti-Israel sentiment I’d love to hear it. But until one is forthcoming, the rest of us will be justified in wondering if perhaps an old, dark hatred, whether wittingly or unwittingly, underpins the manic loathing of Israel.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/writer/brendan-oneill"
 
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Of course they were, but then that was normal back then. You don't even have that as an excuse, lying turd!

Why would antisemitism be ' normal ' , maggot . Do you imagine that there was something generally unsavoury about Jews in the past ? Of course not. Shakespeare and Dickens simply characterized a couple of known assholes- both criminals. Depicting you as Fagin is not anti-Jewish- it's anti-criminal. You are, of course, aiding and abetting criminal Izraelis- and you encourage your shabby entourage to steal from Palestinians for your own profit. No- the depiction is apt and not ' antisemitic ' at all. Try a new fig-leaf.

Also bear in mind- fascists wallow in cults of victimhood. You are an exemplary classic.

Haw, haw...................................haw.
 
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Why would antisemitism be ' normal ' , maggot . Do you imagine that there was something generally unsavoury about Jews in the past ? Of course not. Shakespeare and Dickens simply characterized a couple of know assholes- both criminals. Depicting you as Fagin is not anti-Jewish- it's anti-criminal. You are, of course, aiding and abetting criminal Izraelis.

You're not that stupid, fuck off!!
 
You're not that stupid, fuck off!!

I'm certainly not anywhere near the level of asininity of a prosemitic capitalist criminal abettor who claims that the elected government of Palestine does not want a Palestinian state.

Besides, they've already got one. You're one of the assholes that won't recognize it.
 
those rioting may not represent the bulk of Israeli Arabs, who want nothing more than to live peacefully. They wish only to get on with their lives and take advantage of the freedoms and opportunities afforded by Israel, no matter how much they might resent their minority status in a Jewish state. Yet from the start of the Arab-Israeli conflict a century ago, Palestinian Arab society has been badly represented by its leadership; and it has been swayed too by a sufficiently large militant minority that seeks to impose its will on the silent majority at the cost of repeated disasters.

While many in the West are quick to condemn Israel for its response to Hamas’s rockets, they must face up to the fact that Hamas does not only have its eyes on the Holy Land. Instead, this is a terror organisation committed to global Islamic hegemony.
 
those rioting may not represent the bulk of Israeli Arabs, who want nothing more than to live peacefully. They wish only to get on with their lives and take advantage of the freedoms and opportunities afforded by Israel, no matter how much they might resent their minority status in a Jewish state. Yet from the start of the Arab-Israeli conflict a century ago, Palestinian Arab society has been badly represented by its leadership; and it has been swayed too by a sufficiently large militant minority that seeks to impose its will on the silent majority at the cost of repeated disasters.

While many in the West are quick to condemn Israel for its response to Hamas’s rockets, they must face up to the fact that Hamas does not only have its eyes on the Holy Land. Instead, this is a terror organisation committed to global Islamic hegemony.

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