And now we have Tuesday’s mass shooting,

Old Trapper said:
If you truly loved your child you would be on our knees begging for more rules especially if you have other children. Having said that, enhanced background checks have nothing to do with your alleged "second amendment" rights. But tell us, just where does the Second say you have the "right" to own any gun you choose? It only says you have the right to be armed.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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What "rules" will stop a criminal? Where does it say I don't?

I'm a member of a gun club. "the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
 
Old Trapper said:
If you truly loved your child you would be on our knees begging for more rules especially if you have other children. Having said that, enhanced background checks have nothing to do with your alleged "second amendment" rights. But tell us, just where does the Second say you have the "right" to own any gun you choose? It only says you have the right to be armed.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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thankfully he says he has no children
 
LV426 said:
Yeah, because you could lose the gun, give it to someone who can't get one, or accidentally discharge it because you aren't as responsible with it as you think you are.

Also, if you're running around carrying a gun everywhere to intimidate people, then I would consider you an active terrorist threat.
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more contrived bullshit. you should seriously seek some professional help for the bullshit thinking patterns you have
 
Old Trapper said:
If you truly loved your child you would be on our knees begging for more rules especially if you have other children. Having said that, enhanced background checks have nothing to do with your alleged "second amendment" rights. But tell us, just where does the Second say you have the "right" to own any gun you choose? It only says you have the right to be armed.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
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You do not understand what a constitution is or what it does. Your argument ignores the 9th and 10th amendments and ignores what a constitution is and what it does. Background check laws violate the 4th amendment. The 2nd amendment does not list any weapon by type, brand, action, size, or looks.
 
archives said:
Real regulation of guns, at the very least, treat them just like we treat vehicles with all the same registration requirements, license prerequisites, and liability insurance
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None of that addresses the root causes of violence. Violent people will continue to be violent with or without guns.
 
guno said:
you told us, hick rube
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I have one that her mother says is mine on one day, and another's on another day. She was raised by her grandmother. I always took her places like concerts, races, etc. She calls me dad.

I suggest you mind your own business, you worthless, fake, racist piece of shit.
 
Pax Mongolica said:
None of that addresses the root causes of violence. Violent people will continue to be violent with or without guns.
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But it will be harder for them to kill. In any event, the question is still to be answered by some gun nut, where is the right to own any weapon you choose in the Constitution,k or for that matter, in any Bill of Rights.
 
Old Trapper said:
But it will be harder for them to kill. In any event, the question is still to be answered by some gun nut, where is the right to own any weapon you choose in the Constitution,k or for that matter, in any Bill of Rights.
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There's a broader question to ask. What justifies rights? Constitutionalists believe in the concept of natural rights, for example.

I don't particularly concern myself with rights. As far as guns are concerned, I like having access to guns due to how violent our society is. Depending on police to protect you isn't the best approach in this society. You can make that gamble in a peaceful place like Japan, but it's not a safe bet here.
 
Pax Mongolica said:
There's a broader question to ask. What justifies rights? Constitutionalists believe in the concept of natural rights, for example.

I don't particularly concern myself with rights. As far as guns are concerned, I like having access to guns due to how violent our society is. Depending on police to protect you isn't the best approach in this society. You can make that gamble in a peaceful place like Japan, but it's not a safe bet here.
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Not a question of having access to a gun. I have several. Question is the type of gun. Full auto's are already illegal, and so is dynamite.
 
Old Trapper said:
But it will be harder for them to kill. In any event, the question is still to be answered by some gun nut, where is the right to own any weapon you choose in the Constitution,k or for that matter, in any Bill of Rights.
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maybe you should read the federalist/anti federalist papers as well as the debate minutes over the constitution, and include all of the commentaries just before and after ratification...........they will tell you.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
maybe you should read the federalist/anti federalist papers as well as the debate minutes over the constitution, and include all of the commentaries just before and after ratification...........they will tell you.
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Already have, and the topic of self defense, or even home defense, never came up. It is all about the MILITIA.
 
Old Trapper said:
Already have, and the topic of self defense, or even home defense, never came up. It is all about the MILITIA.
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1. the right of self preservation was considered the first law of nature by the founders............so why would it need to be mentioned?
2. the 'militia' is comprised of the people as a whole......THE PEOPLE! Not some government organized and regulated unit because the founders understood that standing armies were banes to liberty and were more often used to oppress the people than preserve them.
 
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