Now just out of curiosity, what happened to the Durham Report and the "Deep State?"

[Poor Richard Saunders]

investigate what> what are you saying ? a Mueller investigation was supposed to investigate collusion?
how do you do that? do you want Mueller to investigate innuendo and rumor?
how do you even define collusion?

Do you have any idea of the scope of the investigation? Witness were called, millions of documents looked at
and you still think there should be an investigation for collusion?

This si the dumbest stuff yet. lets investigate something that's not criminal - or if we don't then we can say Trump wasn't cleared of something we didnt investigate

I said there was no investigation of collusion because Mueller did NOT investigate collusion. So any claim that collusion was investigated is false. Any claim that Trump was cleared of collusion in the Mueller report is false. Do you agree with me that there was no investigation of collusion? Do you also agree that if there was no investigation that it is impossible to say Trump was cleared of all allegations of collusion?

 

[anatta]

I said there was no investigation of collusion because Mueller did NOT investigate collusion. So any claim that collusion was investigated is false. Any claim that Trump was cleared of collusion in the Mueller report is false. Do you agree with me that there was no investigation of collusion? Do you also agree that if there was no investigation that it is impossible to say Trump was cleared of all allegations of collusion?

that is some hilarious shit you pulled out of your ass.

So If there was no investigation for say (anything) murder (ex.), then we cant say Trump was cleared of murder?

ROFL.. that is some pathetic shit you are trying to pass off to slime Trump

 

[archives]

We will have to see if the Durham reports finds spying as we will have to see it the 1/6 riot was orchestrated by Trump. Until that happens the FBI and Dems have not been cleared and neither has Trump.

So, in other words, you want someone to disprove (that conspiracies existed against Trump) that which has yet to be proven (that conspiracies existed against Trump), and until that happens, that which hasn’t been proven is true

 

[anatta]

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/12/us/politics/durham-investigation-brookings-institution.html
subpoenaing the Brookings Institution, Durham Focuses on Trump-Russia Dossier

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

that is some hilarious shit you pulled out of your ass.

So If there was no investigation for say (anything) murder (ex.), then we cant say Trump was cleared of murder?

ROFL.. that is some pathetic shit you are trying to pass off to slime Trump

That is some great logic you are trying to shit out of your ass. If Trump is accused of murder and there is no investigation then we can't say he was cleared of murder. If Trump is not accused of murder than there is no reason to say he was cleared. On the other hand, if Trump is accused of murder and seven people saw Trump with the deceased and with a gun in his hand and there is no investigation then we can say there is evidence that Trump may have committed murder but there was not an investigation of murder. We can also say that anyone that claims Trump was cleared of murder is not telling the truth.

You are free to argue that the evidence of collusion is not convincing to you but you are not free to argue that he was cleared of collusion or to argue that there is no evidence since there clearly is evidence.
This article does a good job of listing some of the contacts and coordination between the Trump campaign and Russians as listed in the Mueller report.
https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/

 

[anatta]

That is some great logic you are trying to shit out of your ass. If Trump is accused of murder and there is no investigation then we can't say he was cleared of murder. If Trump is not accused of murder than there is no reason to say he was cleared. On the other hand, if Trump is accused of murder and seven people saw Trump with the deceased and with a gun in his hand and there is no investigation then we can say there is evidence that Trump may have committed murder but there was not an investigation of murder. We can also say that anyone that claims Trump was cleared of murder is not telling the truth.

You are free to argue that the evidence of collusion is not convincing to you but you are not free to argue that he was cleared of collusion or to argue that there is no evidence since there clearly is evidence.
This article does a good job of listing some of the contacts and coordination between the Trump campaign and Russians as listed in the Mueller report.
https://www.justsecurity.org/63838/guide-to-the-mueller-reports-findings-on-collusion/

that is some fine bullshit.
I havent got time to deconstruct it all -since none of it matters -but you can start with the changing of the language on Ukraine
7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes;

Nothing more nefarious or complicated is going on. Diana Denman sought to toughen the party plank on Ukraine in a way that went beyond what that platform had stated in the past and, at least in the view of Gordon, beyond what candidate Trump would be comfortable with, and he succeeded, with or without appropriate authority from campaign higher-ups, in softening the language.
https://www.statesman.com/news/2019...mpaigns-softening-diana-denmans-ukraine-plank

IOWs Gordon thought Trump not comfortable with the language ( wanting improved relations with Russia)
that is not any collusion at all. yet you use these innuendos and reports like the Trump Tower meeting as "collusion"
when the meeting was the usual getting dirt on an opposing campaign
~~

which is why it's a slime job to say "collusion" - i'd give you more of a response but it's a waste
of time while you admit there was no conspiracy - so you fall back on 1/2 truths an innuendos

 

[anatta]

I didnt even realize Mueller ( or to be accurate Andrew Weissmann) put a "collusion section" in his report.
WTF kind of a prosecutor reports stuff from an investigation that is non-criminal?

Weissmann ( excoriated by SCOTUS over the Arthur Anderson/Enronn case) obviously has a political agenda
Or he might just be up to his usual prosecutorial abuse? either way "findings" of non criminal activity belong in his records -not a finished investigatory report


https://thefederalist.com/2019/03/0...veal-andrew-weissmanns-misconduct-enron-case/
The records expose efforts by special counsel attorney Andrew Weissmann to intimidate witnesses and to interfere in the attorney-client relationship of a cooperating witness.

 

[reagansghost]

I didnt even realize Mueller ( or to be accurate Andrew Weissmann) put a "collusion section" in his report.

so you didn't know Mueller knew full well Trump patsy Bill Barr was the AG?

he stated publicly collusion wasn't investigated per se for that very reason

however he did report numerous examples of Trump working directly with Russia for dirt on the Democrats including Hillary

go away Boris, you're a bore

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

that is some fine bullshit.
I havent got time to deconstruct it all -since none of it matters -but you can start with the changing of the language on Ukraine
7. A Trump Campaign official told the Special Counsel he “felt obliged to object” to a GOP Platform change on Ukraine because it contradicted Trump’s wishes;


IOWs Gordon thought Trump not comfortable with the language ( wanting improved relations with Russia)
that is not any collusion at all. yet you use these innuendos and reports like the Trump Tower meeting as "collusion"
when the meeting was the usual getting dirt on an opposing campaign
~~

which is why it's a slime job to say "collusion" - i'd give you more of a response but it's a waste
of time while you admit there was no conspiracy - so you fall back on 1/2 truths an innuendos

So if you resort to calling it innuendo then any calls for investigation are BS? There are 2 facts here that you agree to. There was an attempt to change the party plank on Ukraine. It was objected to because the change contradicted Trump's wishes. Another fact is that Russia had a strong interest in how the US treated Ukraine. It could all be very innocent but how do you know without an investigation? Do we simply assume all actions are innocent until proven otherwise? Can you claim the lack of an investigation proves it was innocent?

Hmm... I wonder about Hunter Biden and what your reaction is there. Should we not be calling for an investigation since it is only innuendo? It seems you have no standards that can be applied equally. It seems you rely on ideology for your thinking rather than independent thought.

 

[anatta]

So if you resort to calling it innuendo then any calls for investigation are BS? There are 2 facts here that you agree to. There was an attempt to change the party plank on Ukraine. It was objected to because the change contradicted Trump's wishes. Another fact is that Russia had a strong interest in how the US treated Ukraine. It could all be very innocent but how do you know without an investigation? Do we simply assume all actions are innocent until proven otherwise? Can you claim the lack of an investigation proves it was innocent?

Hmm... I wonder about Hunter Biden and what your reaction is there. Should we not be calling for an investigation since it is only innuendo? It seems you have no standards that can be applied equally. It seems you rely on ideology for your thinking rather than independent thought.

no. I even gave you the link. Gordan objected to the language change because he felt it did not reflect Trump's view on Ukraine/Russia
what do you mean "investigation?" WTF did Mueller/Weissman just do?
do you want an investigation based on their investigation?? ROFL

Hunter Biden has a lot of evidence, not just the hard drive but pics of Biden and him with Hunter's partners(when Buiden said he never talked to them) as well as testimony by Bobulinski before the FBI .
I assume you know the "big guy" remark for ex -memorialized on the hard drive

Now ask me if the FBI will do anything ..no

 

[anatta]

So if you resort to calling it innuendo then any calls for investigation are BS? There are 2 facts here that you agree to. There was an attempt to change the party plank on Ukraine. It was objected to because the change contradicted Trump's wishes. Another fact is that Russia had a strong interest in how the US treated Ukraine. It could all be very innocent but how do you know without an investigation? Do we simply assume all actions are innocent until proven otherwise? Can you claim the lack of an investigation proves it was innocent?

Hmm... I wonder about Hunter Biden and what your reaction is there. Should we not be calling for an investigation since it is only innuendo? It seems you have no standards that can be applied equally. It seems you rely on ideology for your thinking rather than independent thought.

no. I even gave you the link. Gordan objected to the language change because he felt it did not reflect Trump's view on Ukraine/Russia
what do you mean "investigation?" WTF did Mueller/Weissman just do?
do you want an investigation based on their investigation?? ROFL

Hunter Biden has a lot of evidence, not just the hard drive but pics of Biden and him with Hunter's partners(when Buiden said he never talked to them) as well as testimony by Bobulinski before the FBI .
I assume you know the "big guy" remark for ex -memorialized on the hard drive

Now ask me if the FBI will do anything ..no

 

[archives]

no. I even gave you the link. Gordan objected to the language change because he felt it did not reflect Trump's view on Ukraine/Russia
what do you mean "investigation?" WTF did Mueller/Weissman just do?
do you want an investigation based on their investigation?? ROFL

Hunter Biden has a lot of evidence, not just the hard drive but pics of Biden and him with Hunter's partners(when Buiden said he never talked to them) as well as testimony by Bobulinski before the FBI .
I assume you know the "big guy" remark for ex -memorialized on the hard drive

Now ask me if the FBI will do anything ..no

Wait a minute, “pics of Biden and him with Hunter's partners” and “testimony by Bobulinski” is a “lot of evidence?”

Trump had numerous picks with Epstein, even after he said he hardly knew him, does that mean he is guilty of the same charges Epstein was? Cohen “testified” in front of Congress how Trump had people disappear, does that mean Trump hired a hit man?

And the “big guy” comment escalated to mean Biden was in on it was even discredited by the very person who authored the “big guy” comment

You are pushing right wing media innuendo as fact, it ain’t

 

[anatta]

Wait a minute, “pics of Biden and him with Hunter's partners” and “testimony by Bobulinski” is a “lot of evidence?”

Trump had numerous picks with Epstein, even after he said he hardly knew him, does that mean he is guilty of the same charges Epstein was? Cohen “testified” in front of Congress how Trump had people disappear, does that mean Trump hired a hit man?

And the “big guy” comment escalated to mean Biden was in on it was even discredited by the very person who authored the “big guy” comment

You are pushing right wing media innuendo as fact, it ain’t

the Emails dont lie
show your cites

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies
Source on alleged Hunter Biden email chain verifies message about Chinese investment firm
Sources have told Fox News that 'the big guy' is a reference to the former vice president.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-china-email-source-verifies

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Abatis,

That said, I do not believe that Durham will return the indictments that I believe are appropriate, democrat privilege and all that.

Why would Trump's own hand-picked man Durham show any special consideration for Democrats?

That makes little sense.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

no. I even gave you the link. Gordan objected to the language change because he felt it did not reflect Trump's view on Ukraine/Russia
what do you mean "investigation?" WTF did Mueller/Weissman just do?
do you want an investigation based on their investigation?? ROFL

The investigation was based on the known evidence and suspicions. You wouldn't have that answer without the investigation. We would only have the suspicions.

Hunter Biden has a lot of evidence, not just the hard drive but pics of Biden and him with Hunter's partners(when Buiden said he never talked to them) as well as testimony by Bobulinski before the FBI .
I assume you know the "big guy" remark for ex -memorialized on the hard drive

Now ask me if the FBI will do anything ..no

And here you go with your double standard again. Trump campaign officials meet with Russians and it is no big deal but a Hunter Biden email mentions the big guy without any reference as to who that is and you jump to all sorts of idiotic conclusions. What evidence do you have that the email is not Russian propaganda? What evidence do you have that the big guy is Joe Biden? The fact of the matter is you have none but you are all about not performing any critical thinking.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Abatis,

As I said, Russia, Russia, Russia was invented, cultivated and executed to cover the crimes of Obama. The "investigation" was nothing but a vehicle to obtain a FISA on a Trump insider (Carter Page won the short stick) to get the FBI the 18 month look-back and two-hop rule on a person that communicated with a Trump insider . . .

Do you understand what the two-hop rule is? The Carter Page FISA meant the[FONT=&] FBI gets to vacuum up every communication of the target and everyone he/she communicated with and then everyone those people communicated with . . . If Carter Page talked to 200 people in that 18 months, and those people talked to 200 people, that means the FBI has the authority to examine the communications of 40,000 people.

That's why the Carter Page FISA was a must, why the bullshit Steel dossier was folded into it on the 2nd application (after the first was refused) and Clinesmith had to forge the CIA document from saying Page was a CIA asset to making it look like Page was a Russian asset.

They needed the Page FISA to put all the illegal spying they had done in 2016 on Trump people, into some plausibility of legality.

Someday you might comprehend the extent you were lied to.

[/FONT]

I don't think a presidential candidate who claims he has no business dealings with Russia, but really does, is in the best interest of the USA. This is exactly the kind of guy I want the FBI investigating. Russia is not our friend. The Steele dossier is valid. Trump is dirty. He was wiped out. No US bank would loan to him. Then he makes this huge come back. Based on what cash? It came from the Russian mafia. They wanted to get their hooks into him. Putin had Trump wrapped around his little finger. That was obvious when Trump said he believed Putin over US Intelligence. That's how you know when something in the White House REALLY stinks.

Trump is guilty of abuse of his office in his first impeachment. He did not have the authority to over ride Congress in supporting Ukraine, but he did anyway, tried to use the foreign aid as leverage to get a bogus investigation begun on Biden. Trump is so dirty you'd have to clean him up in a spray car wash just to find the real dirt.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

People get mocked for using the term Deep State but it’s very real and it’s a real problem. There’s also the administrative state with its army of unelected and unaccountable bureaucrats and their morass of regulations that not one soul has voted for.

Both are a problem but the former is more insidious because it can *and has* been weaponized politically. Good posts.

There is no deep state. It's nothing but right wing propaganda.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Darth,

Here’s the rough draft:

The IC has been playing dirty for years going back to the Iraq war and WMD. I got sucked in on that one and I’ve never forgiven them for it. Probably stayed more or less static until the Obama era; Trump comes along and throws down the gauntlet by promising to ‘drain the Swamp’ and that gets their attention.

Chuckie Schumer said the quiet part out loud with ‘the IC has six ways from Sunday to Jack you up’ or however he said. And before you know it the IC is leaking like a sieve to a compliant media—and the rest is history.

Ultimately, all of their scheming failed and Trump was ultimately taken out by a virus. Which in the past few months we have learned very plausibly leaked from a virology lab under control of the CCP and even possibly released. But it gets even better, because US tax dollars found their way to the lab that was doing research on the virus.

Altogether it would make for a very good book. If only it was fictional.

Trump took himself out.

All he had to do was exhibit good leadership, prevent deaths where possible, and he had his chance for a second term. He did it to himself. "15 cases going to zero," indeed.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Jarod,

It falls into the same category as prosecuting Hillary, Was never going to happen, just a lie they told to keep the idiots whipped up!

I guess that lock her up stuff was another failed promise.

Chalk that one up after the 'perfect health care plan.'

What a failure of a president. Worst ever. All he could do was suck up to the rich and racist haters.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Jarod,

They might, but did Biden run around telling people he would “lock Trump up?”

Biden promised leadership, not vindictiveness.

Biden has delivered.