BLM chapter calls American flag 'symbol of hatred'

For years the argument in education has essentially been the status quo is fine we just need more money. Then we spend more money and results don't really change. So we rinse, wash and repeat. For numerous reasons there is resistance to making changes to our educational system including a lot of vested interests, both economically and politically, in our current structure. The most recent example with COVID showed the educational needs of children will take a back seat to those vested interests.

It's not about "more money". It's about equal access to a quality education for all American kids so they can become more productive citizens and soldiers.

Notice the difference in spending and the results among the states:

https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics

Federal, state, and local governments spend $720.9 billion, or $14,840 per pupil, to fund K-12 public education.

The federal government provides 7.7% of funding for public education; state and local governments provide 46.7% and 45.6% of public education funds, respectively.



https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state
There are about 51 million public school students in the United States. While far from perfect, public schools play a vital role in their respective communities. Public schools improve their communities and the welfare of children. Public schools welcome all children, no matter their income level, disability, or previous academic performance. Many schools provide school meals, which helps children from food-insecure families get nutritious food every day. The better the public school, the more likely students will achieve higher educational attainment.
 
I don't think we are throwing up our hands. We spend billions on education and spending per pupil has increased more than inflation even in districts that have not increased in students.

Unfortunately, while students and faculty have remained stable in many large districts administrators have increased as have employees associated with federal educational programs. I think any financial need could be met by shifting funds around. One news program showed an expensive administration building being built while some of the schools had leaking ceilings.

The federal government has limitations becoming involved since education is a function reserved to the states. Federal funding programs are often not productive and require the schools to follow costly regulations. Often businesses selling school products (computers, etc.) are the ones pushing for federal spending.
An area in need of improvement....for the children. :)
 
It's not about "more money". It's about equal access to a quality education for all American kids so they can become more productive citizens and soldiers.

Notice the difference in spending and the results among the states:

https://educationdata.org/public-education-spending-statistics

Federal, state, and local governments spend $720.9 billion, or $14,840 per pupil, to fund K-12 public education.

The federal government provides 7.7% of funding for public education; state and local governments provide 46.7% and 45.6% of public education funds, respectively.



https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/public-school-rankings-by-state
There are about 51 million public school students in the United States. While far from perfect, public schools play a vital role in their respective communities. Public schools improve their communities and the welfare of children. Public schools welcome all children, no matter their income level, disability, or previous academic performance. Many schools provide school meals, which helps children from food-insecure families get nutritious food every day. The better the public school, the more likely students will achieve higher educational attainment.

This will never happen but even if every single school district was given the same amount of money it doesn't mean educational results will improve. It's the method of delivery, not just the money. Yet all we focus on is the money.
 
This will never happen but even if every single school district was given the same amount of money it doesn't mean educational results will improve. It's the method of delivery, not just the money. Yet all we focus on is the money.

It's not just money, or even additional money. The goal is to improve education among the least educated Americans. It's the low hanging fruit. Improve their education allows them to obtain better jobs and become tax revenue assets, not liabilities.

Most Presidents understand this long-term strategy. Reagan did.

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/remarks-members-national-governors-association-0
Education, of course, is an essential element. One can't read the writings of our Founding Fathers today without being impressed by the faith that they put in education -- the faith they had that an educated populace would guarantee the success of this great experiment in democracy that they were undertaking.
 
It's not just money, or even additional money. The goal is to improve education among the least educated Americans. It's the low hanging fruit. Improve their education allows them to obtain better jobs and become tax revenue assets, not liabilities.

Most Presidents understand this long-term strategy. Reagan did.

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/remarks-members-national-governors-association-0
Education, of course, is an essential element. One can't read the writings of our Founding Fathers today without being impressed by the faith that they put in education -- the faith they had that an educated populace would guarantee the success of this great experiment in democracy that they were undertaking. Such a strong faith in education must have been based not just on wishful thinking but on sound observation, observation that the American style of education -- not just for the few, not just for the elite, but for all -- was working. And so, one can't help but believe they knew what they were doing when they quite consciously left the responsibility to educate the American people up to the States.

Can we please somehow mix persecution of Christians into the batter!
 
It's not just money, or even additional money. The goal is to improve education among the least educated Americans. It's the low hanging fruit. Improve their education allows them to obtain better jobs and become tax revenue assets, not liabilities.

Most Presidents understand this long-term strategy. Reagan did.

https://www.reaganlibrary.gov/archives/speech/remarks-members-national-governors-association-0
Education, of course, is an essential element. One can't read the writings of our Founding Fathers today without being impressed by the faith that they put in education -- the faith they had that an educated populace would guarantee the success of this great experiment in democracy that they were undertaking.

The federal gov’t has a limited say in education. And if America decides Washington D.C. needs more of a say in our education system then we’ll get the results we desire (hint: they won’t be what we want)
 
Can we please somehow mix persecution of Christians into the batter!

I'm not a big fan of vouchers.

Conversely, I'm not a big fan of the Feds dictating what to teach as much as supporting a Federal development of better teaching tools. Let evolution and common sense apply.

If West Virginia wanted to teach that all Virginians are gay, that's their choice, but it will only hurt them in the end to do so. In fact, the entire state would suffer because business leaders don't trust idiots.
 
The federal gov’t has a limited say in education. And if America decides Washington D.C. needs more of a say in our education system then we’ll get the results we desire (hint: they won’t be what we want)

Correct, but as noted above, they can provide better tools.

Consider the pandemic. The Federals have a better ability to coordinate supplies and making vaccines, but it's the States themselves that do the leg work in distribution.

The Tech Lords talk about spreading WiFi to undeveloped areas; global access. To go with that would have to be inexpensive means to access the Internet. Tablets are quickly proving to be that means.

Let the Feds supply the tools and the States supply the lessons.

Smart states will teach smart things and dumbass states will teach dumbass things. The smart states will prosper and the dumbass states will become "retirement communities" for rich people from smart states looking for cheap property. LOL
 
Many of the proposed changes I see are usually moving backward. I am in favor of finding new methods for students to learn and many are available, such as simulations which are now more accessible since almost all students are linked by computer. Instead, textbook publishers want to sell schools canned programs for distance learning which appeals to schools but often involve simplistic lessons with widespread cheating.

Control the cheating. Government tests use question banks (300-1000 questions) randomly generated, in a monitored and controlled environment. I'm studying for one now; the military competency exam for certified flight instructor. When I'm ready, I go down to a testing center and take the exam. In some cases there is also a practical test.

Have you ever learned anything by watching a Youtube video? Put up a fence, disassemble and reassemble an SKS? Put together a deck cabinet with shitty instructions?
 
I'm not a big fan of vouchers.

Conversely, I'm not a big fan of the Feds dictating what to teach as much as supporting a Federal development of better teaching tools. Let evolution and common sense apply.

If West Virginia wanted to teach that all Virginians are gay, that's their choice, but it will only hurt them in the end to do so. In fact, the entire state would suffer because business leaders don't trust idiots.

It shouldn't be their choice to fuck over their kids. The kids aren't born with "Mountaneers are alway free" anymore than they are tattooed with E pluribus unum.
But I understand until everyone agrees that religion is a con, and it is, I won't get anywhere. Just trollin' Appalachia, the "lowest hanging fruit."
 
It shouldn't be their choice to fuck over their kids. The kids aren't born with "Mountaneers are alway free" anymore than they are tattooed with E pluribus unum.
But I understand until everyone agrees that religion is a con, and it is, I won't get anywhere. Just trollin' Appalachia, the lowest hanging fruit.

It's Big Brother's choice? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Can we agree for now to focus on better tools for those who actually want to learn?
 
My prob with online or virtual ed is not content or cheating so much, it's the trial by ordeal aspect of the bitch.

If I had to mother fucking sit through a John Houseman clone wax Socratic at me for 3 years, taking roll and demanding that I
twist in the winds of glory or disgrace briefing a case in front of 200 tort students in an L1 weeder class, so the fuck must the next generation.

Fuck you, pin your asses in a desk at a brick and mortar. Why? Because I had to.
 
It's Big Brother's choice? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Can we agree for now to focus on better tools for those who actually want to learn?

Someone has to be the decider. I think it should be me. Barring that? George Bush Jr.

sure tools smools, not even up for debate... you can have your lernin tools. Only a nutbag Repuke would pinch that penny.
 
Only retards would say that those people believe that the flag is a symbol of hate.

The first post says otherwise. Read it and stay on topic

"In a fiery Fourth of July Facebook post, Utah’s Black Lives Matter Chapter declared the American flag "a symbol of hatred."

"When we Black Americans see this flag we know the person flying it is not safe to be around," the post reads. "When we see this flag we know the person flying it is a racist. When we see this flag we know that the person flying it lives in a different America than we do. When we see this flag, we question your intelligence. We know to avoid you. It is a symbol of hatred."

Chapter founder Lex Scott confirmed to Fox News Wednesday that her group had made the post to highlight how hate groups can allegedly "co-opt" the American flag without prompting similar blowback.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/black-liv...-symbol-hatred
 
Control the cheating. Government tests use question banks (300-1000 questions) randomly generated, in a monitored and controlled environment. I'm studying for one now; the military competency exam for certified flight instructor. When I'm ready, I go down to a testing center and take the exam. In some cases there is also a practical test.

Have you ever learned anything by watching a Youtube video? Put up a fence, disassemble and reassemble an SKS? Put together a deck cabinet with shitty instructions?

Yes, it can be done with a lot of effort. I sent my students to the testing center for (online) exams but that is discouraged because if it is a distance learning course the exams should be online (especially for students who live too far). I found students would study for the exam and then take the exam for a friend. It took a lot of work and was hard to prove. Others just got in groups and collaborated on the answers. I used a test bank that randomly chose the questions.

Many instructors used the test bank that accompanies the text but those are not well done and students can usually eliminate the wrong answers.

Because of the problem with online testing giving exams is often discouraged and instead given written essays which is even worse.
 
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The first post says otherwise. Read it and stay on topic

"In a fiery Fourth of July Facebook post, Utah’s Black Lives Matter Chapter declared the American flag "a symbol of hatred."

Correct. That is what was posted. What was it in response to?
 
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As to the OP? Sure, you found a jerk who said something hyperbolic and offensive, now make sure to tie me up to a post, write it on a piece of paper
and shove it in my mouth.

I won't be accused of hate by the party who trades in hate as a party philosophy. :rolleyes:
 
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