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[Flash]

I'm not talking about how that simplistic thing means nothing, I'm talking about how you use that simplistic bullshit to advance half-truths and nonsense.

Blame the Census Bureau, not me. I never made any claims or conclusions based on the data. I do not make a partisan argument out of everything. If you want to talk about inequality in education why don't you start a new thread on that topic.

When someone posts that per pupil expenditures have increased they are not making an assumption that everything is equal.

However, we are waiting for you to show us one district which did not get an increase in per pupil expenditures in 2019. You want to harangue about inequality but cannot prove anything.

One district.

 

[LV426]

Blame the Census Bureau, not me.

No Flash, I blame your lack of critical thinking skills, or your unwillingness to use them, that got us to this point in the discussion.

Accuracy, nuance, and specificity matter...and if you're not capable of those things, then you can't act surprised when someone calls your behavior and actions out.

I never made any claims or conclusions based on the data.

Three times on this thread you didn't qualify the statement about the increase to per-pupil spending.

The reason you didn't do that is because you know that spending isn't equitable or even, and you also know that it is largely equitable and even in other countries.

So maybe you can explain why you felt the need to compare US per-pupil spending, which is an aggregated average of wildly different amounts, with per-pupil spending in other countries, where no inequity exists because every student is largely funded equally because their schools aren't funded by property taxes, they're funded 100% by the State. That isn't the case for American schools. For American schools, only about 45% of the funding comes from the state, and about 48% comes from property taxes, with federal contributions making up the remainder.

So do you now understand why it's dumb and stupid to try and make that comparison or argument?

 

[LV426]

^THIS, is why you cannot argue with a lying sociopath with the IQ of a lemming.

You said the election was stolen, and Trump invited you to DC on 1/6 to do something about it.

But on 1/6, you didn't go to DC...instead, you were here on JPP talking shit.

 

[Flash]

No Flash, I blame your lack of critical thinking skills, or your unwillingness to use them, that got us to this point in the discussion.

Using averages assumes the reader has enough critical thinking skills to understand the concept. The generalization made by the Census Bureau also assumes Americans can understand average without making qualifications that are self-evident.

Three times on this thread you didn't qualify the statement about the increase to per-pupil spending.

The reason you didn't do that is because you know that spending isn't equitable or even, and you also know that it is largely equitable and even in other countries.

So maybe you can explain why you felt the need to compare US per-pupil spending, which is an aggregated average of wildly different amounts, with per-pupil spending in other countries, where no inequity exists because every student is largely funded equally because their schools aren't funded by property taxes, they're funded 100% by the State. That isn't the case for American schools. For American schools, only about 45% of the funding comes from the state, and about 48% comes from property taxes, with federal contributions making up the remainder.

So do you now understand why it's dumb and stupid to try and make that comparison or argument?

And you have yet to support your qualification that all districts did not receive increased per pupil expenditures. You are basing this entire argument on a point you cannot even prove.

I had one post with the rankings of the U. S. and made no comparison with that to other nations. U. S. comparison with other nations is an entirely different subject which you are using as a distraction from proving all districts did not get spending increases.

But, everybody knows it is BS to say all other countries have equal spending ("per-pupil spending in other countries, where no inequity exists"). That is one of the most far-fetched claims you have ever made. You need to look at some other countries--Germany, for example, does not even fund all students past a certain grade.

Again, we are waiting to see evidence all districts did not get increased spending in 2019. Before you get into irrelevant crap support your original claim.

 

[LV426]

And you have yet to support your qualification that all districts did not receive increased per pupil expenditures.

I mean, you can just Google "education spending cuts 2019" and find this:

A Punishing Decade for School Funding
https://www.cbpp.org/research/state-budget-and-tax/a-punishing-decade-for-school-funding

Effects of School Funding Cuts Continue to Linger (this is my state, which cut school funding in 2019)
https://gbpi.org/effects-of-school-funding-cuts-continue-to-linger/

Spending fell by roughly 7 percent on average nationwide, by more than 10 percent in seven states, and by more than 20 percent in two states

And here's the cuts on the federal level:

Drumpf administration proposes $7.1 billion funding cut to Education Department
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/tru...-funding-decrease-education/story?id=61609098

So this is the work you should have done before you popped off with your census statistic that you thought was enough to suffice in this debate.

 

[LV426]

You are basing this entire argument on a point you cannot even prove.

It's not that I cannot prove it (I did so in the last post), it's that you aren't buttoned up on your own argument here.

That's why you tried to appeal to the authority of the US Census when I held that very generalized statistic to scrutiny.

I had one post with the rankings of the U. S. and made no comparison with that to other nations.

Your post literally said the US was 4th.

4th compared to whom? Mordor? Alderaan? Hogwarts?

U. S. comparison with other nations is an entirely different subject

Well, it's a subject in the sense that you can't compare the US to other countries because we fund our schools completely differently, inequitably, and unevenly.

That is what you should be talking about...why spending per pupil is so wildly different here when it isn't anywhere else.

Just wondering, why do you think it's inequitable? Can't be because of the standard of living since other countries equitably and evenly spend on their students....so there must be another reason why we fund our schools this way.

What do you think that reason is?

everybody knows it is BS to say all other countries have equal spending

I said largely equitable and even, and how does "everybody know" what you allege when public schools in other countries are funded 100% by the state, not by property taxes?

That is one of the most far-fetched claims you have ever made. You need to look at some other countries--Germany, for example, does not even fund all students past a certain grade.

Well, they do for the equivalent of K-12, and they also have free public tuition at universities and trade schools, which we don't.

So an 11th grade equivalent student in Stuttgart gets largely the same amount spent on their education as an 11th grade equivalent student in Bonn.

And all of Germany's public schools and universities are tuition free.

 

[LV426]

That is one of the most far-fetched claims you have ever made.

Not a far-fetched claim...a fact that I researched and confirmed, something you don't ever do because you're a lazy, entitled asshole.

But those five countries (Sweden, Norway, Iceland, UK, Finland) are different from the United States because they also "have national funding formulas that are used to ensure equitable and adequate funding," Corcoran said.
https://www.politifact.com/factchec...hecking-marianne-williamson-school-funding-u/

 

[Flash]

So this is the work you should have done before you popped off with your census statistic that you thought was enough to suffice in this debate.

Why should I have done that work since everyone already knows all districts do not get equal funding. You just showed us what we already knew which made it silly for me to qualify the 5% spending increase in 2019.

By the way, which school district had a lower per pupil expenditure in 2019 than it had in 2018?

 

[Nordberg]

America has never been more fair to minorities, ever.
FAct is the playing field has been tilted their way.

but here you have the Democrat party still playing the race card.

Maybe their hope is that someday this country will be able to elect a Black President, or vice president even.
I suppose they have to keep hope alive

America is still stacking the deck against minorities. In many places, it has never improved. Blacks often live in desperation. Hustling to survive is no way to learn to love the county or the flag. Substandard schools start it all off. It gets no better from there.

 

[Flash]

It's not that I cannot prove it (I did so in the last post), it's that you aren't buttoned up on your own argument here.

That's why you tried to appeal to the authority of the US Census when I held that very generalized statistic to scrutiny.

You didn't hold anything up to scrutiny because nobody thought a 5% average increase meant every district got equal spending increases. Nobody thinks there is widespread equitable funding in education. When everyone already understands averages there is no reason to qualify a general statement of fact with unnecessary and irrelevant information.

Again, you create straw men and argue with them. You argue about things nobody is disputing or they never said in the first place. Just in this thread you accused me of saying things I never said or believed.

Your post literally said the US was 4th. 4th compared to whom? Mordor? Alderaan? Hogwarts?

The 27 OECD nations plus 10 others. See the ranking here:https://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator/cmd

Well, it's a subject in the sense that you can't compare the US to other countries because we fund our schools completely differently, inequitably, and unevenly.

That is what you should be talking about...why spending per pupil is so wildly different here when it isn't anywhere else.

Just wondering, why do you think it's inequitable? Can't be because of the standard of living since other countries equitably and evenly spend on their students....so there must be another reason why we fund our schools this way.

What do you think that reason is?

What you should be talking about is not having every student get the same amount of spending. You fail to point out is that different areas have very different costs of living. Giving a student X dollars in one district may provide less benefits than a student getting less in a different districts. You omit these very important considerations because it does not fit your narrative.

What we should be talking about is why a nation with $4,000 less in per pupil expenditures than the U. S. (like Finland) or even $2,000 less (like Canada) have higher performing students than the U. S. with higher spending.

Trying to measure educational quality by spending is very superficial. If every student in the U. S. has more spending per pupil than Finland but Finland has greater equality among students, which is more important?

There are many reasons for the educational/funding system in the U. S. One is federalism and the American attitude toward centralized authority. It is said that in France the Minister of Education knows which page every student is studying on any given day.

The U.S. puts more emphasis on local control and differences. Public schools in some areas give more emphasis to agriculture, or vocational, or science. These differences are also reasons for different funding schemes.

For comparison see the Hawaiian schools which use one state-wide system with no property taxes (for education) and ranks #28 in the U. S.

 

[LV426]

Why should I have done that work

Exactly. This is your constant problem; you have an entitlement mentality that you didn't earn.

everyone already knows all districts do not get equal funding.

So then why were you trying to use a statistic that compared US spending per-pupil with other countries, knowing that US student spending per pupil varies dramatically and widely?

And then why did you try and use another statistic that also doesn't accurately or effectively provide a metric that can be used to summarize a false conclusion and argument about US spending increases per pupil?

I think I know the answer to both questions.

You just showed us what we already knew which made it silly for me to qualify the 5% spending increase in 2019.

No it didn't, Flash.

You're trying to be a lazy sophist, and I won't let you.

I also provided you with three links that showed education spending CUTS in 2019, broadly over the decade, singularly in the state of GA, and federally from Trump and DeVos.

So that "spending increased by 5%" needs a qualifier, doesn't it, since there were plenty of spending cuts to education in 2019, you just didn't bother to do that research because you're an entitled, lazy prick.

 

[LV426]

You didn't hold anything up to scrutiny because nobody thought a 5% average increase meant every district got equal spending increases.

You did.

Then you backtracked on it.

And I bet in a couple posts, you're going to abandon it completely.

Nobody thinks there is widespread equitable funding in education.

You did, though. And it took me holding your bullshit to scrutiny before you finally admitted it.

When everyone already understands averages there is no reason to qualify a general statement of fact with unnecessary and irrelevant information.

If you understood averages at all, then you'd understand why that average was stupid to use.

 

[LV426]

The 27 OECD nations plus 10 others.

OK, so you WERE comparing the US to other countries.

Why did you say you didn't?

The only meaningful and accurate way to compare US spending to other countries is to compare the fact that US schools aren't funded equitably and evenly, while other countries' schools are.

That's the only legitimate point of comparison of education systems.

If you wanted to truly compare them, Flash, you needed to compare the lowest-funded US student with the students in other countries, whose spending is largely equitable, and the highest-funded US student with the students in other countries, whose spending is largely equitable.

 

[BattleofHodow]

America is still stacking the deck against minorities. In many places, it has never improved. Blacks often live in desperation. Hustling to survive is no way to learn to love the county or the flag. Substandard schools start it all off. It gets no better from there.

Lol, proof that the USA has not improved in treatment towards minorities?

 

[LV426]

What you should be talking about is not having every student get the same amount of spending. ]

LMAO!!

Flash, why do you think some students deserve to have more spent on their education than others?

You fail to point out is that different areas have very different costs of living.

So do different areas of different countries also have different costs of living?

Why yes, they do...and yet, even with that unequitable balance, those countries still have national formulas to ensure that each student is funded equitably and evenly.

So the "cost of living" argument is horseshit...and that's the only argument you have as to why you think some students deserve to have more spent on their education than others.

What you're saying in your cost of living argument is that rich kids should have more spent on their education than poor kids.

 

[Lionfish]

 

[LV426]

What a fucking pussy.

You didn't go to DC on 1/6 despite lying about the election being stolen for three months, and Trump inviting you.

Fucking wimp.

 

[Lionfish]

What a fucking pussy.

You didn't go to DC on 1/6 despite lying about the election being stolen for three months, and Trump inviting you.

Fucking wimp.

Bless your heart.

 

[LV426]

Bless your heart.

Coward.

 

[Lionfish]

Coward.

Bless your heart twice.