Hiroshima, 6 August 1945

moon said:
No- you were talking about ' justice ' in relation to Stalin. I was talking about ' justice ' as an imprecise concept.
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Fairness between people is easier than between nations but both can still be done. As with nations of old, except when the Soviets were murdering people in Poland and Czechoslovakia, nations negotiate "fairness" and hold each other accountable.
 
Cypress said:
I wasn't there in 1945, and I would never want to be in the position to make the decision. We all have the luxury of hindsight, looking back at it from a distance of 77 years.

My instinct leans towards feeling that while it was morally reprehensible, it may have been the least bad option. USA, Britain, Germany, USSR deliberately killed a lot of civilians from 1939 to 1945. All of it, strictly speaking, was morally reprehensible.
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Interesting you didn't mention Italy.
I agree.

Why did Italy a Fascist country kill less than FDR, Stalin, Truman, and Churchill!?

Maybe Germany did what it did as Germans not Fascists.

Keep in.mind Germany killed a lot before Hitler.
In WW1 & The 30 year war.
Not to mention the Northern Crusades & Rhineland Massacres.

Germans caused many Slavic Wends , Old Prussian & Livonians to go extinct.
 
moon said:
Not exactly. The British declared war on Germany because Germany invaded Poland. If invasion denotes who is responsible for a war then you must hold the Zionists responsible for all the wars Israel has fought.
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Interestingly, neither Britain or France declared war on the Soviet Union when they invaded Poland just a few weeks later...

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moon said:
Not exactly. The British declared war on Germany because Germany invaded Poland. If invasion denotes who is responsible for a war then you must hold the Zionists responsible for all the wars Israel has fought.
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Why? Israel didn't declare war first in 1948 or in 1956, or in 1973... In all three cases their neighbors declared war unilaterally and attempted to invade Israel. It's not Israel's fault that they kicked their neighbor's asses and then rolled into their territory and took it. That's what happens when you're a half assed limp dick military like the Arab states that surround Israel are.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Why? Israel didn't declare war first in 1948 or in 1956, or in 1973... In all three cases their neighbors declared war unilaterally and attempted to invade Israel. It's not Israel's fault that they kicked their neighbor's asses and then rolled into their territory and took it. That's what happens when you're a half assed limp dick military like the Arab states that surround Israel are.
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A bunch of foreign immigrants declaring their homeland upon a majority of land owners already living there IS AN ACT of WAR.
 
Jack said:
Ask front line American soldiers if they thought it was a bad idea. I'm sure the pointy heads here at JPP will argue the point.
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The USSR was approaching Japan too.

Seems like more than a bit of OVERKILL.

Especially when A- Bombs could have been used NEAR Japanese cities.
Not in them.
 
redfish said:
dropping the bombs was the decision of Truman and Truman only with input from Ike and others. It was Truman's call and he made the right one for everyone concerned.
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Truman was trash.
Let's be honest here.

200,000 + killed due to A- Bombs over Japan.

500,000+ killed due to Potsdam Conference.

4,000,000+ killed due to the Korean War.

Truman A bombed the WRONG country.

He should have A bombed the USSR

Not over cities but rural regions first.

To scare Stalin out of taking over Central Europe.
 
Cypress said:
There was a movie about the German General who defied Hitler's orders to raze Paris to the ground. I don't remember if he was arrested and shot.

The take away for me is that among cultured Europeans, including even Wehrmacht flag officers, there was a recognition that Paris and Rome were western civilization's cultural heritage. There was extreme reluctance to raze them to the ground.

No such restraint was shown to Warsaw, Leningrad, or Minsk. Or Tokyo.

I do not think it is racism necessarily. But it seems to speak to a kind of chauvinism for the culture of western Europe.
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West Euro Protestants are just bad people.

From racist overt genocide of Hitler of 6 million Jews.
To
Anti Racist subvert genocide of modern America's 6 million Jews by miscegenation.

These people are just bad news.

They are unfeeling & unthinking.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
History is taught differently now and includes more of the not-so-lovely bits. There's a reason that the Reichtards started screeching a couple of decades ago about "schools are teaching our kids liberal propaganda" and the efforts to whitewash slavery, the Civil War, the treatment of the original people here, etc. etc.

I agree that math sucks. lol
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When will YOU realize the final nail in the coffin for Native Americans is miscegenation?

A Leftist idea.
Leftists are finishing off what Colonial genocide started

Sad.

But, then again you look Scottish chief Freckle face.
I actually
Look more Native than you.

Although that's because of ANE or Ancient North Eurasian DNA.
From 24 thousand year old Malta boy of Siberia

Which is very high in Natives.
But higher in Eastern Europe than Western Europe.
 
Cypress said:
On the one hand, the argument can be made that it was morally reprehensible, but it was the least bad of a range of bad options.

On the flipside, it could be argued it crossed a line which should never be crossed.
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Apparently unseen and seen forces were able to avoid a tRump and sewer conspiring GOPer Hiroshima type event in November of 2020 and then on January 6, 2021 at crippling all attempts of tRump and his un American creatures to destroy the legitimacy of another election in the devil's favor that indeed made America and humanity greater, with the hopeful fallout of Justice convening on tRump and his fellow repuke swine and other un American kissers to serve the type of Justice on their worthless and putrid hides they so dearly deserve.
 
Cypress said:
I think children are capable of handling the truth about any flaws we made, and what if any lessons we have learned in hindsight.

One thing that always bothered me is that all combatant armies - American, British, German - went to great pains to spare the cities of Paris and Rome from any destruction or even major battles. Those cities obviously loom large in the consciousness and cultural heritage of western civilization. Even the German Army took steps to spare Paris, against Hitler's orders.

There was no such caution offered to Tokyo.
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Too bad Warsaw the Paris of the East wasn't spared by Nazi Germany.

That's because Polish Armia Krajowa staging sn anti Nazj rebellion.

Where's the Jewish thanks?

Oh yeah.

They think Poles owe them property restitution but they don't owe Palestinians the same property restitution.

They screech Poland did the Holocaust.

But, won't mention Jewish Nazi collaborators like Jewish Ghetto Police. Jewish Kapos, Judenrate, Group 13 , Jewish Sonderkomandos, the Haavara Agreement.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Only fucking commies speak out against one of the most brutal regimes in history. How many Russians were killed by the Soviets?
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It is unclear whether Hitler or Stalin killed more Slavic Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians.

Stalin wasn't even Russian. He was a Georgian by ethnicity.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
That's good, but unreasonable to expect from people as this forum constantly proves. It's not simply a matter of conditioning people to be pacifists since, like "brainwashing", that's only a temporary fix before their individual natures take over again.

Without genetic manipulation and conditioning programs, it's as unreasonable to expect we can stamp out war as the Stalin and Mao thought they could stamp out religion.
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War is an option.
Just the last option.

My Polish American father back in 2003 said that Iran would be the winner of the war in Iraq.

He was right.

He knew Saddam was a Sunni strongman holding together s Shiite majority Iraq & Saddam was backed by the USA against Shiite Iran way back.

Why W. Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Pearle & Rumsfeld didn't know this is a bit puzzling.
 
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