Hiroshima, 6 August 1945

[Cypress]

True, but if one is heavy on people and low on weapons, a few human wave attacks can net more weapons.

Fuck the Nazis. I never trust liars.

The whole concept of unconditional surrender had a strong political undercurrent. I think Churchill, Stalin, and FDR decided to play for all the marbles and completely remake the German and Japanese nations into societies that would no longer pose a belligerent militaristic threat to neighboring countries.

Nazi Germany could never have defeated the USSR in the long run, but allied assistance to USSR undoutedly made them more able to effectively counter the Nazis.

USA and UK could never have invaded fortress Europe in 1944 without four million Germans tied down trying to thwart the Red Army advance on Germany.

It was a team effort.

 

[Grumpy]

Nazi Germany could never have defeated the USSR in the long run, but allied assistance to USSR undoutedly made them more able to effectively counter the Nazis.

Here you go again failing to know ruskie history ... most of adolph's early success is because the average ruskie HATED uncle joe more than adolph. Several million ruskies were on aldoph's siide until he decided that it wasn't good to use non-germans and took away their guns.

Yes, there were non-germans in the wehrmacht and there were ruskies there also ... many ruskies got sent to france as occupation troops ... allowing germans to head east.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Is that Polish for Retards?

# Projection
For your lack of genetic & anthropology understanding.

Typical Animalistic British Isle trash you are.

The typical Scottish looking hobo you are.

 

[Cypress]

Here you go again failing to know ruskie history ... most of adolph's early success is because the average ruskie HATED uncle joe more than adolph. Several million ruskies were on aldoph's siide until he decided that it wasn't good to use non-germans and took away their guns.

Yes, there were non-germans in the wehrmacht and there were ruskies there also ... many ruskies got sent to france as occupation troops ... allowing germans to head east.

Some Ukrainians welcomed the Nazi invasions initially.
That had no strategic effect on the trajectory of the war. The Nazis slaughtered Ukrainians, Russians, Byelorussians without remorse.

Citizens of the Soviet Union overwhelmingly decided to fight to the death, because they knew they were facing an existential threat. Hitler intended to colonize the western USSR and turn the subhuman Slavs into slaves.

That was made clear in General Plan East.

The Nazis torched and razed to the ground thousands of Ukrainian and Belarusian villages and towns.

Citizens of the USSR resisted the Nazis in a way French, Danes, Austrians, Czechs never did. Vichy France infamously collaborated with the Nazis.

USSR is a nation the size of a continent with virtually unlimited resources. It was utter foolishness for Hitler to invade. In the long run, he could never have subdued the USSR

 

[BattleofHodow]

The whole concept of unconditional surrender had a strong political undercurrent. I think Churchill, Stalin, and FDR decided to play for all the marbles and completely remake the German and Japanese nations into societies that would no longer pose a belligerent militaristic threat to neighboring countries.

Nazi Germany could never have defeated the USSR in the long run, but allied assistance to USSR undoutedly made them more able to effectively counter the Nazis.

USA and UK could never have invaded fortress Europe in 1944 without four million Germans tied down trying to thwart the Red Army advance on Germany.

It was a team effort.

The Nazi war efforts were largely depended on raw materials arriving from thr Soviet Union according to the Gernan- Soviet Credit Agreement / German- Commercial Agreement.

Soviets simply had more men & more raw materials.

It was s matter of time.

PS.
Typical West European chauvinism says that the Russian winter won the war For Soviets

But neglects that the English Channel at Dunkirk saved Britain.

Also Western European Chauvinism says that Poles hard Horses
&
Ignores that Nazi Germany had Horses too.

Typical trashy West Europeans.

 

[Grumpy]

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Yes, the germans did as you said ... however, my point was about the beginning of the invasion. Hitler could have had massive ruskie help ...

What uncle joe had was the call for "mother russia" coupled with the fact that he let sukov et al out of the gulags

 

[Grumpy]

Typical West European chauvinism says that Russia wondue the thr winter.

But neglects that the English Channel at Dunkirk saved Britain.

Partially true ... adolph's invasion timing decision was based on his desire to show that he was smarter/better than Napoleon which is why he waited until 22 Jun to invade ... further complicating was his desire to destoy stalingrad vice use the blitzkrieg tactic to surrond it and move on. Gave joe a battleground

Another adolph mistake ... he did not keep up the attack which allowed winney the opportunity to evac the troops ... yet they lost the equipment ... but the US more than made up for it.

 

[Cypress]

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Yes, the germans did as you said ... however, my point was about the beginning of the invasion. Hitler could have had massive ruskie help ...

What uncle joe had was the call for "mother russia" coupled with the fact that he let sukov et al out of the gulags

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

We are dealing with history as it actually was, not as you wished it to be.

Nazi racial ideology held that Slavs were inferior subhumans.

The German high command drafted General Plan East well before Operation Barbarossa commenced in June 1941.

According to the General Plan, the Nazis planned to colonize Byelorussia, Ukraine, western Russia and either expel the indigenous Slavic inhabitants" or enslave them.

That toxic ethnic hatred and the hubris of strategic conquest were all that were needed to make Hitler's plans for eastern empire ultimately doomed before the first shot was fired.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Woulda, coulda, shoulda.

We are dealing with history as it actually was, not as you wished it to be.

Nazi racial ideology held that Slavs were inferior subhumans.

The German high command drafted General Plan East well before Operation Barbarossa commenced in June 1941.

According to the General Plan, the Nazis planned to colonize Byelorussia, Ukraine, western Russia and either expel the indigenous Slavic inhabitants" or enslave them.

That toxic ethic hatred and hubris of strategic conquest were all that were needed to make Hitler's plans for eastern empire ultimately doomed before the first shot was fired.

Yes, according to Generalplan Ost Slavs would be killed, expelled, Germanized or enslaved.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Partially true ... adolph's invasion timing decision was based on his desire to show that he was smarter/better than Napoleon which is why he waited until 22 Jun to invade ... further complicating was his desire to destoy stalingrad vice use the blitzkrieg tactic to surrond it and move on. Gave joe a battleground

Another adolph mistake ... he did not keep up the attack which allowed winney the opportunity to evac the troops ... yet they lost the equipment ... but the US more than made up for it.

Britain probably only would have lasted a month or 2 without the English Channel.

Soviets without the Russian winter still probably would have won.

Just maybe 2 years later.

The Soviets had more military personnel & way more resources.

It's stupid to say the Russian winter won the war..

It won the war quicker.

 

[Grumpy]

We are dealing with history as it actually was, not as you wished it to be.

Indeed we are ... "Woulda, coulda, shoulda" are your words, not mine ... I presented errors that aldoph made.

 

[Cypress]

Indeed we are ... "Woulda, coulda, shoulda" are your words, not mine ... I presented errors that aldoph made.

Obviously you never heard of General Plan East, and you do not have the most rudimentary understanding of what the Nazis planned for their eastern empire.

Hitler had no genuine intention of being the great and benevolent liberator of the Byelorussian and Ukrainian people.

He intended to kill as many as he could, and either enslave the rest or drive them over the Ural mountains.

Hitler's plan for Eastern Empire was based on utter hubris and ethnic cleansing fantasies.

That was a recipe for failure which was doomed from the outset.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

As for the Red Army...

Their issue was command and control. With limited communications equipment available, and often having troops with little more than basic training in combat, the Soviets resorted to tactics that could work with their situation. This resulted in adoption of what were in essence WW 1 methods of attack. Troops would advance in 'thickened' skirmish lines behind an artillery barrage. Tank units would be given a fixed objective that they were to take and hold. Initiative on the part of lower ranked officers was discouraged.

It was very much a top-down command structure where the officers maintained control by personal effort and using runners to carry messages. Below battalion level in the Red Army, radios and telephones were virtually nonexistent. Even armored units often lacked radios below platoon and company level. This meant that tanks had to follow the leader to move to the correct position. With initiative discouraged, the whole was a very plodding system of command. But it worked at the cost of increased casualties.

By late in WW 2, the Red Army had gotten more communications equipment and had refined its command structure with more experienced officers at all levels. Their performance improved even as the German Army declined. Against the Japanese in China in August 1945, the Red Army totally outclassed their opponent.

 

[moon]

Here you go again failing to know ruskie history ... most of adolph's early success is because the average ruskie HATED uncle joe more than adolph. Several million ruskies were on aldoph's siide until he decided that it wasn't good to use non-germans and took away their guns.

Yes, there were non-germans in the wehrmacht and there were ruskies there also ... many ruskies got sent to france as occupation troops ... allowing germans to head east.

So then- according to Grumpy- and with the support of the Brit maggot- the Allied invasion forces encountered Russians defending France while the German army was being welcomed into Stalingrad by grateful peasants .

Haw, haw, haw, haw, haw, haw..............................haw, haw, haw.................................haw, haw................................haw.


Hey- how's our climate doing ?


Haw, haw.............................................haw.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

# Projection
For your lack of genetic & anthropology understanding.

Typical Animalistic British Isle trash you are.

The typical Scottish looking hobo you are.

If I'm everything you keep accusing me of, then put me on ignore, Spaz.

 

[Cypress]

Why don't you call Cypress East Euro trash?

Probably because I do not call people of English or German descent subhuman garbage nor am I anti-semitic.

 

[Cypress]

As for the Red Army...

Their issue was command and control. With limited communications equipment available, and often having troops with little more than basic training in combat, the Soviets resorted to tactics that could work with their situation. This resulted in adoption of what were in essence WW 1 methods of attack. Troops would advance in 'thickened' skirmish lines behind an artillery barrage. Tank units would be given a fixed objective that they were to take and hold. Initiative on the part of lower ranked officers was discouraged.

It was very much a top-down command structure where the officers maintained control by personal effort and using runners to carry messages. Below battalion level in the Red Army, radios and telephones were virtually nonexistent. Even armored units often lacked radios below platoon and company level. This meant that tanks had to follow the leader to move to the correct position. With initiative discouraged, the whole was a very plodding system of command. But it worked at the cost of increased casualties.

By late in WW 2, the Red Army had gotten more communications equipment and had refined its command structure with more experienced officers at all levels. Their performance improved even as the German Army declined. Against the Japanese in China in August 1945, the Red Army totally outclassed their opponent.

Stalin wiped out the competent professional officer corps in the purges of 1937-38.

It took the Red Army another 5 to 6 years to rebuild a competent officer corps.

Supposedly the reason Stalin signed the non-aggression pact with Germany in 1939 was he wanted at least 5 years of buffer to rebuild and upgrade the Soviet military so it would be prepared for an eventual war with Hitler.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Probably because I do not call people of English or German descent subhuman garbage nor am I anti-semitic.

Well, he's friends with Guno who makes fun of all Whites & laughs at Whites going extinct.

 

[BattleofHodow]

Probably because I do not call people of English or German descent subhuman garbage nor am I anti-semitic.

I actually think the Scottish are the worst Western Europeans very mean, stingy, drunken people., with the strongest Individualist streak.

Most hobos & Derelicts in America look Scottish.
Light ruddy hue, sometimes freckles, big nose, big beards, small eyes,, boney thin faces.

Real Irish people have smaller noses & can't grow much beard, plus tend to have bigger eyes.

Trump & the South are both half Scottish.
Appalachia is probably mostly Scottish by blood.

The highest Western European murder rates & binge drinking issues were long in Scotland.