We have. EVERYBODY can speak no matter what your political views. They're not snowflake-eternally-offended types of places.
How Putin gets rid of democracy activists
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We have. EVERYBODY can speak no matter what your political views. They're not snowflake-eternally-offended types of places.
fuck "democracy" we havent a leg to stand on with out "iregullarities" and abuses by Sec of State
next you're gonna tell us we need to "spread democracy" - but its none of our business what other countries do
just like it's none of our business that Germany and Russia completed Nordstream 2
Im sure you didnt watch the interview with Hungary's PM Orban?
His "crime" is not letting migrants flow over into his border -imagine that -
a country that governs in it's own best interests!
You supported a Kraken coup to reverse the legal results of an election and have your fat pig installed for a second term.
You do not strike me as the type to make a principled stand for the liberal democratic principles enshrined in our right to free speech.
Hungarian PM Orban exposes US' ideological radicalism
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231156.shtml
Orban explained, his country is very proudly pro-Israeli, pro-American, pro-NATO, and Western-oriented, which would otherwise check all the boxes with respect to being a reliable US ally. The problem, however, is that the Western elite - most recently the American one following President Biden's election - is now largely comprised of ideological radicals.
As Orban described it, many of them want to build "a new society, which is a post-Christian, post-national society." This stands in contrast to the Hungarian one that is "based on traditional values, on national identity, based on tradition of Christianity." He believes that the reason why his government is targeted for regime change is because "the Western liberals cannot accept that inside the Western civilization, there's a conservative national alternative which is more successful at everyday life at the level of them than the liberal ones." It's perhaps because of this perception that motivated President Biden to characterize Prime Minister Orban as a "totalitarian thug."
That remark was made during the campaign trail. Yet it revealed just how much the current US president detests the Hungarian leader. In his defense, Orban very politely explained that President Biden doesn't know much about Hungary. This is a pity because, he said, "the bilateral relationship with the Americans is basically very good. We are cooperating well on the field of defense as NATO allies, economic cooperation is excellent. You are big investors here. Trade is going very well. Your businessman is finding a lot of possibilities here, so everything is fine, except the politics when the liberals are in government in Washington. That's the problem."
Orban's interview should pique the curiosity of all observers. This loyal American ally firmly believes in retaining excellent economic and military ties with Washington, but also wants to preserve his country's socio-political sovereignty. Regrettably, radical Western ideologues - including those who are responsible for formulating policy in the Biden administration - are obsessed with toppling him for that reason. They are even going so far as to tacitly legitimize the antisemitic members of the opposition in pursuit of that end. This observation proves that even allied countries that don't submit to the US' ideology will be punished.
In other words, Washington doesn't truly have any "allies" since it won't even treat its "fellow" NATO "partners" like Hungary as equals. Washington aspires to only have vassals who unquestionably comply with all of its decrees; especially its ideological ones. By definition, this is a totalitarian policy. It is aggressively promoting regime change in a foreign country. The Hungarian case study is therefore very important because: it shows the world how unreliable the US really is as an "ally".
https://www.globaltimes.cn/page/202108/1231156.shtml
Orban explained, his country is very proudly pro-Israeli, pro-American, pro-NATO, and Western-oriented, which would otherwise check all the boxes with respect to being a reliable US ally. The problem, however, is that the Western elite - most recently the American one following President Biden's election - is now largely comprised of ideological radicals.
As Orban described it, many of them want to build "a new society, which is a post-Christian, post-national society." This stands in contrast to the Hungarian one that is "based on traditional values, on national identity, based on tradition of Christianity." He believes that the reason why his government is targeted for regime change is because "the Western liberals cannot accept that inside the Western civilization, there's a conservative national alternative which is more successful at everyday life at the level of them than the liberal ones." It's perhaps because of this perception that motivated President Biden to characterize Prime Minister Orban as a "totalitarian thug."
That remark was made during the campaign trail. Yet it revealed just how much the current US president detests the Hungarian leader. In his defense, Orban very politely explained that President Biden doesn't know much about Hungary. This is a pity because, he said, "the bilateral relationship with the Americans is basically very good. We are cooperating well on the field of defense as NATO allies, economic cooperation is excellent. You are big investors here. Trade is going very well. Your businessman is finding a lot of possibilities here, so everything is fine, except the politics when the liberals are in government in Washington. That's the problem."
Orban's interview should pique the curiosity of all observers. This loyal American ally firmly believes in retaining excellent economic and military ties with Washington, but also wants to preserve his country's socio-political sovereignty. Regrettably, radical Western ideologues - including those who are responsible for formulating policy in the Biden administration - are obsessed with toppling him for that reason. They are even going so far as to tacitly legitimize the antisemitic members of the opposition in pursuit of that end. This observation proves that even allied countries that don't submit to the US' ideology will be punished.
In other words, Washington doesn't truly have any "allies" since it won't even treat its "fellow" NATO "partners" like Hungary as equals. Washington aspires to only have vassals who unquestionably comply with all of its decrees; especially its ideological ones. By definition, this is a totalitarian policy. It is aggressively promoting regime change in a foreign country. The Hungarian case study is therefore very important because: it shows the world how unreliable the US really is as an "ally".
Thanks for confirming the premise of this thread: Vladimir Putin and the Republican Party are hostile to the principles of western liberal democracy.
The Hungarian PM is a rightwing authoritarian, and an anathema to the principles of western liberal democracy.
Do not forget feeling entitled and leeching off society.
thats all you got out of post? the lead in? "fuck democracy" as a FOREIGN POLICY
-it's so banal so yesterday.when China and the rest of teh world practice realpolitik
Biden adm ( State) is actively trying to undermine Orban just because he's a nationalist.
We are backing an anti-semite opposition instead.
I suggest you read the Carlson transcript and learn about nationalism and Biden's dumbness ignoring same
It’s a personal choice of FaceBook, Twitter etc., too. It’s pathetic that you don’t understand their position is the same as yours.Have I shut down anybody's free speech rights? No? I didn't think so. They can speak anything they like, any time they like. It's a PERSONAL choice of MINE if I want to listen or not.
The people they ban still have free speech, they just aren’t allowed to use their businesses to express it, just as you ban people from your threads.
horseshit
he's duly elected - how does that "undermine democracy".. you are speaking pablum
I love the new buzzword!! AUTHORITARIANISM - oh no!! a strong leader of their country
for their countries benefit
It’s mind boggling why “freedom loving patriots” love authoritarian leaders, like Trump, Putin, Xi, Kim, Erdogan, etc.
It is well known and widely understood that the Hungarian PM has instituted meaures to undermine democracy. He is on the verge of becoming a pariah in Western Europe because of his lurch towards authoritarianism.
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They need authoritarians to secure daily life--that is their freedom.
I am no longer surprised. It has been clear to me for years that the American right is openly hostile to liberal western democracy.
you waste my time with "well known" and such pablum.
He was duly elected. 3x I make this point and all you have is "undermine democracy" crapspeak
Hungary is a major contributor to NATO's collective security, says the Chairman of the NATO Military Committee
https://www.nato.int/cps/en/natohq/news_177222.htm?selectedLocale=en
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Yes. The right wing has always hated democracy.
I do not read the fully vaccinated, anti-vax propagandist Tucker Carlson for expert scholarly opinion on Hungary.
Tucker Carlson has no expertise on Hungary outside of what he has read in some American rightwing opinion articles.
If I want to learn what is going on in Russia, I frequently read what credible Russian dissidents are writing, or what experts trained in Slavic studies are writing.
Tucker Carlson is the last place I would turn for expert analysis of Hungarian domestic policies.
I respect ll of them ( except Kim) because they set policies to advantage their own interests
we should learn that again.
Trump got it,but Bidens open borders and working to undermine our best national interests is pathetic
So the super-wealthy are finally pissing you off. It is about time.
nevermind all that- read the interview. Orban is sane and well spoken..makes very good points that we are allies, yet Biden seeks to support an antisemite opposition.. that's how FUBAR Biden is