What went badly in Afghanistan? Why the hype?

Jarod said:
The point is that a rogue Taliban commander is not doing that, they are giving them safe passage to the HK airport.
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dude.......you have absolutely no idea if that is true......ten thousand people we have not heard from.......and you claim they are safe because what?......you trust the Taliban?.....
 
Phantasmal said:
Lol, they weren’t left behind, there was always a plan to get them out. Trump should have started the process when he started troop withdrawals, why didn’t he do that? Why does Biden get all the blame, seems to me the administration who was playing catch up and didn’t get information on foreign policies till January 21 because Trump refused to follow protocol, shouldn’t get the brunt of the blame.
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ok lets say Trump did nothing at all. Biden had 7 months to withdraw our people. And at Aug 15 we still had 15000-20000 americans a full embassy and anywhere in between 40000-80000 friendly afghans to evacuate.

Was he planning to just pack them all up on Sep 10?
 
tsuke said:
I do wonder if you live in teh same reality the rest of us do. The absolute lowest estimate we have is 5000 Americans in Afghanistan and you are saying that were not evacuating a lot because the rest of them want to stay?

The Americans themselves are saying they cant get to the airport and frankly I would even question how some outside of Kabul are even expected to make the journey.

The 200 comes from the DOD thats as close an estimate I can get to how many they have evacuated. If you have a better number of Americans who have been post your source.
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1) who says 5000?
2) There are plenty of people who claim dual citizenship and want to stay in their birth country or with their families in Afghanistan.
3) Who said that they cant get to the airport? Did Hannity or Tucker tell you that?
4) 200 or 2000 we are removing those who want to come.
 
Jarod said:
Ok, so we should stay another 20 years to save Afghanis from their own people?
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no....as I said, we don't even bother to do that in Chicago or Portland.......but why make things worse?......this is almost as bad as defunding the police and expecting it to make people safer........oh wait, you do that too......never mind.......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
dude.......you have absolutely no idea if that is true......ten thousand people we have not heard from.......and you claim they are safe because what?......you trust the Taliban?.....
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10,000 people, did Tucker tell you that? If it were happening, it would be all over CNN.
 
Jarod said:
How so?
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how about dropping a few bombs on the Taliban when they started moving into the vacuum left in the first troop withdrawal........or how about not creating that vacuum by refusing to inform the Afghan government of leaving that air base......
 
Phantasmal said:
Trump started the process, why didn’t he start withdrawing Americans and our Afghani allies?
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Trump set the deadline and signed an agreement. Then Biden worked to make it happen. I am glad he ended this mess that I was against to start with.
 
Jarod said:
10,000 people, did Tucker tell you that? If it were happening, it would be all over CNN.
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no......is was Psaki.......do you ever listen to the news?.....pretty sad if CNN isn't reporting what the White House press secretary says......

Roughly 11,000 “self-identified” US citizens still need to be evacuated from Afghanistan, White House press secretary Jen Psaki said.
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https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2021/aug/17/joe-biden-afghanistan-republicans-democrats-us-politics-live-latest-news?page=with:block-611c1c5c8f08459933374a65
 
tsuke said:
ok lets say Trump did nothing at all. Biden had 7 months to withdraw our people. And at Aug 15 we still had 15000-20000 americans a full embassy and anywhere in between 40000-80000 friendly afghans to evacuate.

Was he planning to just pack them all up on Sep 10?
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I imagine, like Trump, the plan was to evacuate over time if needed, neither Trump nor Biden had any intel that the Afghan forces would crumble as quickly as they did. We spent 20 years equipping and training them. I think it shocked everyone.
 
tsuke said:
ok lets say Trump did nothing at all. Biden had 7 months to withdraw our people. And at Aug 15 we still had 15000-20000 americans a full embassy and anywhere in between 40000-80000 friendly afghans to evacuate.

Was he planning to just pack them all up on Sep 10?
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Its our responsibility to evacuate 80,000 friendly Afghans's? Really?

How many Americans have come home in the last 6 months?
 
PostmodernProphet said:
how about dropping a few bombs on the Taliban when they started moving into the vacuum left in the first troop withdrawal........or how about not creating that vacuum by refusing to inform the Afghan government of leaving that air base......
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Then they would be killing our people.
 
Phantasmal said:
I imagine, like Trump, the plan was to evacuate over time if needed, neither Trump nor Biden had any intel that the Afghan forces would crumble as quickly as they did. We spent 20 years equipping and training them. I think it shocked everyone.
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ok so your contention is that if Afghanistan did not fall we would have still gotten out all these people by our September 11 deadline?

I think you and Jared are a perfect illustration of why people are pissed at Biden. It seems you and the admin dont even understand why people are mad which is why Biden keeps giving speeches that completely miss the point.

Its like a college senior convinced he only had one day to study for the finals which is why he failed when the semester is 6 months long.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
no....as I said, we don't even bother to do that in Chicago or Portland.......but why make things worse?......this is almost as bad as defunding the police and expecting it to make people safer........oh wait, you do that too......never mind.......
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You didn't think leaving would make it worse?
 
Jarod said:
Trump set the deadline and signed an agreement. Then Biden worked to make it happen. I am glad he ended this mess that I was against to start with.
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Agreed, I regret it got messy, but we’ve never had an exit plan when we decide to invade and occupy. You’d think we would learn our lesson, but we don’t seem to have done that!
 
Phantasmal said:
I imagine, like Trump, the plan was to evacuate over time if needed, neither Trump nor Biden had any intel that the Afghan forces would crumble as quickly as they did. We spent 20 years equipping and training them. I think it shocked everyone.
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We did evacuate over time, people have had months to get out, we were told this date was coming months and months ago.
 
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