What will you do for your country?

PoliTalker said:
Hello T. A. Gardner,



Here's what they would say:
"I'd take wearing a mask over getting shot at any day, my friend"
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My father willingly wears one, and considers anyone who doesn't an inconsiderate, unpatriotic asshole. I guarantee you there is no one on this forum who has earned that right more than he has. Especially a nazi fuck like TA.
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,

T. A. Gardner said:
Because it's clearly a non-necessity of any value or use.
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But what if you're wrong about that and it might help save lives?

The official word of the United States of America is that mask-wearing helps and should be done.

And it's not simply based on opinion.
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,

Concart said:
My father willingly wears one, and considers anyone who doesn't an inconsiderate, unpatriotic asshole. I guarantee you there is no one on this forum who has earned that right more than he has..
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That's for sure.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dirt McGirt,



I disagree. Everyone should listen to this message. Everyone should here it with all the emphasis only Arnold can put on it. I can hear his voice as I read the passage. It speaks.

What Arnold said makes a lot of sense for Americans who want to keep America strong by keeping America united.

We all have to pull together to tote this weight, my friend.
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What special emphasis does the son of a nazi officer, who says “screw your freedoms” and then proceeds to unapologetically advocate for stripping personal liberties have? If anything he should know better.

I’ll listen to Arnold if he wants to talk about steroid stacks and workout splits, but that’s about all.

And spare me the whole desire to keep America united. The 4,000 threads that are started here daily dumping on people who don’t agree with a certain line of thinking makes that laughable at best. Y’all’s idea of “united” is everyone confirming to what you want. And that’s not my weight to tote regardless of how you and Arnold want to spin it.
 
Dirt McGirt said:
What special emphasis does the son of a nazi officer, who says “screw your freedoms” and then proceeds to unapologetically advocate for stripping personal liberties have? If anything he should know better.

I’ll listen to Arnold if he wants to talk about steroid stacks and workout splits, but that’s about all.

And spare me the whole desire to keep America united. The 4,000 threads that are started here daily dumping on people who don’t agree with a certain line of thinking makes that laughable at best. Y’all’s idea of “united” is everyone confirming to what you want. And that’s not my weight to tote regardless of how you and Arnold want to spin it.
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Do you think Arnold is a nazi? What relevance does his lineage have?

Would you have thought that curfews during WWII were an infringement on personal liberties?
 
BartenderElite said:
Do you think Arnold is a nazi? What relevance does his lineage have?

Would you have thought that curfews during WWII were an infringement on personal liberties?
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No. I don’t flippantly throw about the term nazi like others do. And I said in my previous post that I don’t blame Arnold for the sins of his father, but him advocating stripping away freedoms is chock full of irony. He should know better.

And yes curfews at any time are an infringement of personal liberty.
 
Dirt McGirt said:
No. I don’t flippantly throw about the term nazi like others do. And I said in my previous post that I don’t blame Arnold for the sins of his father, but him advocating stripping away freedoms is chock full of irony. He should know better.

And yes curfews at any time are an infringement of personal liberty.
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Thanks for explaining. I missed that. I don't agree w/ your position, but the bolded is logical.

And at least you're consistent. I think there are times when we all have to pitch in for the good of the country.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
After three wars, at least a half-dozen serious civil disturbances, and decades of asbestos, lead paint, toxic chemicals, and near daily threat of electrocution, I think I've done at least 1000 times more for America than that pencil necked, jabbering, moron Biden ever did.

Wear a mask? Give me a break you whiny, little, retard and STFU! I've more than earned the right not to wear one if I don't want to.
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In fact, you have not.

But thank you for admitting what a selfish little whiner you really are.
 
BartenderElite said:
Thanks for explaining. I missed that. I don't agree w/ your position, but the bolded is logical.

And at least you're consistent. I think there are times when we all have to pitch in for the good of the country.
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I think there are times when we should pitch in, but I will always push back against “have to”, especially when it’s the government telling us we have to do something for our own good.
 
BartenderElite said:
Really?

That directly contradicts what the vast majority who are actually in that field have concluded. On what evidence do you base this assumption?
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The only actual science based studies on this to date. Everything the CDC and WHO are using is anecdotal.

Because COVID-19 can spread via respired droplets, many states have mandated mask use in public settings. Randomized control trials have not clearly demonstrated mask efficacy against respiratory viruses, and observational studies conflict on whether mask use predicts lower infection rates.
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1 (Yale School of Medicine)

Observational evidence suggests that mask wearing mitigates transmission of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). It is uncertain if this observed association arises through protection of uninfected wearers (protective effect), via reduced transmission from infected mask wearers (source control), or both.
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https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817#f1-M206817

There have been studies trotted out to support mask wearing such as this one:

Visualizing Speech-Generated Oral Fluid Droplets with Laser Light Scattering
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https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

But that one, like many others doesn't use data on actual transmission rates of Chinese Disease among a mask wearing population versus no mask worn. Instead, it focuses on the efficacy of masks in a laboratory setting. This was then extrapolated to suggest masks help stop the transmission of Chinese Disease.

The studies done on populations and rates of COVID infection to date show no evidence that conclusively proves masks help or lower the rate of infection.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The only actual science based studies on this to date. Everything the CDC and WHO are using is anecdotal.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1 (Yale School of Medicine)


https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817#f1-M206817

There have been studies trotted out to support mask wearing such as this one:


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

But that one, like many others doesn't use data on actual transmission rates of Chinese Disease among a mask wearing population versus no mask worn. Instead, it focuses on the efficacy of masks in a laboratory setting. This was then extrapolated to suggest masks help stop the transmission of Chinese Disease.

The studies done on populations and rates of COVID infection to date show no evidence that conclusively proves masks help or lower the rate of infection.
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Nothing has been conclusive, the evidence is actually strong that they have a mitigating effect. Note "mitigating effect" - they do not prevent transmission, and as far as I know, no one has ever claimed as much.

Beyond the studies that you didn't post that support mask-wearing, there is just logic. It's a respiratory virus. Yes, viruses are microscopic and masks don't necessarily block them. But, masks do limit the distance that respiratory droplets can travel, significantly. That is 100% fact.

It's such a minor inconvenience. Future generations will look back on the big "mask debate" like we view using leaches as a medical treatment.
 
BartenderElite said:
Nothing has been conclusive, the evidence is actually strong that they have a mitigating effect. Note "mitigating effect" - they do not prevent transmission, and as far as I know, no one has ever claimed as much.

Beyond the studies that you didn't post that support mask-wearing, there is just logic. It's a respiratory virus. Yes, viruses are microscopic and masks don't necessarily block them. But, masks do limit the distance that respiratory droplets can travel, significantly. That is 100% fact.

It's such a minor inconvenience. Future generations will look back on the big "mask debate" like we view using leaches as a medical treatment.
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Wrong. The evidence in the lab that masks stop airborne droplets is good. There are dozens of these where they test the mask to see what gets through. These don't measure the mask's effectiveness at stopping the spread of COVID however, only the efficiency of the mask in laboratory conditions.

Studies that actually show it mitigating Chinese Disease on the other hand are next to nonexistent. The two I cite were both done specifically on COVID populations and found masks do nothing to stop the spread, meaning most likely that people are catching it by some mechanism that masks don't work on.

The supporting direct evidence is that masks do little or nothing to stop the spread, indirect evidence from lab tests where only the mask was involved not withstanding.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The only actual science based studies on this to date. Everything the CDC and WHO are using is anecdotal.


https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.05.18.21257385v1 (Yale School of Medicine)


https://www.acpjournals.org/doi/10.7326/M20-6817#f1-M206817

There have been studies trotted out to support mask wearing such as this one:


https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMc2007800

But that one, like many others doesn't use data on actual transmission rates of Chinese Disease among a mask wearing population versus no mask worn. Instead, it focuses on the efficacy of masks in a laboratory setting. This was then extrapolated to suggest masks help stop the transmission of Chinese Disease.

The studies done on populations and rates of COVID infection to date show no evidence that conclusively proves masks help or lower the rate of infection.
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All your credibility is lost when you use the term "Chinese Disease".
 
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