What will you do for your country?

Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Deliberately harming people isn't covered by the First Amendment.
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"rules are about passing off opinion as fact, especially if it's harmful to the public."

We can't let the government try to regulate speech. That's what Russia and China do. It violates our principles of free speech.

We have to let liars lie, but we are just as free to speak the truth. And we should.

America will always be speaking truth to lies.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,



"rules are about passing off opinion as fact, especially if it's harmful to the public."

We can't let the government try to regulate speech. That's what Russia and China do. It violates our principles of free speech.

We have to let liars lie, but we are just as free to speak the truth. And we should.

America will always be speaking truth to lies.
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It's not about government. It's about holding people accountable for their words and actions.
 
Having had repeated training and certification on various types of masks from gas masks to the little comfort masks (and yes, NAVOSH requires you be trained and qualified on every one of these), the first problem is that the vast majority of people aren't wearing the mask properly. Have a beard or facial hair? A mask is nearly worthless. Don't have it fitting tightly around the edges? Worthless. Improper size? Worthless.
There's a whole range of issues here most people are totally unaware of in wearing a mask. Yet, the CDC, etc., is recommending them anyway.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
It's not about government. It's about holding people accountable for their words and actions.
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I'll leave that up to you. I want no part of playing word police. Anybody mouths off at me in this forum and I just dismiss them for life.

I'm not going after anybody else personally, and I won't have them going after me. I can only control the way I post and who I respond to.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,

I'll leave that up to you. I want no part of playing word police. Anybody mouths off at me in this forum and I just dismiss them for life.

I'm not going after anybody else personally, and I won't have them going after me. I can only control the way I post and who I respond to.
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I was referring to holding our politicians and other leaders accountable for their words and deeds. If you think that only applies to this forum, I disagree.
 
Hello T. A. Gardner,

T. A. Gardner said:
Having had repeated training and certification on various types of masks from gas masks to the little comfort masks (and yes, NAVOSH requires you be trained and qualified on every one of these), the first problem is that the vast majority of people aren't wearing the mask properly. Have a beard or facial hair? A mask is nearly worthless. Don't have it fitting tightly around the edges? Worthless. Improper size? Worthless.
There's a whole range of issues here most people are totally unaware of in wearing a mask. Yet, the CDC, etc., is recommending them anyway.
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Thank you for your service.

Masks do serve a purpose. They are the best line of defense when distancing is not possible. It would be unrealistic to try to get everyone in the most efficient masks possible, so we are doing what we can.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello T. A. Gardner,



Thank you for your service.

Masks do serve a purpose. They are the best line of defense when distancing is not possible. It would be unrealistic to try to get everyone in the most efficient masks possible, so we are doing what we can.
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There's no science behind that.

They're merely a symbol of compliance to the totalitarian hivemind.

All the sudden the mask cultists are America first.

:okjen:
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello Dutch Uncle,

If we don't like em, vote em out.
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Agreed but waiting for elections is not the only way to civilly disagree with elected leaders.

I occasionally write my governor and other elected reps. Collectively, that has impact. Whether it has enough impact to initiate change depends on multiple factors. If enough citizens are consistent in their desire for a particular action, it increases the likelihood of acceptable results.

IMO, anyone lying about the effects of a pandemic or the common sense CDC recommendations to minimize spreading disease should be held accountable for every American who is harmed by their lies now, not in a year or more when they come up for reelection.
 
Hello Dutch Uncle,

Dutch Uncle said:
Agreed but waiting for elections is not the only way to civilly disagree with elected leaders.

I occasionally write my governor and other elected reps. Collectively, that has impact. Whether it has enough impact to initiate change depends on multiple factors. If enough citizens are consistent in their desire for a particular action, it increases the likelihood of acceptable results.

IMO, anyone lying about the effects of a pandemic or the common sense CDC actions to minimize spreading disease should be held accountable for every American who is harmed by their lies now, not in a year or more when they come up for reelection.
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It's a good point, but Abbott doesn't seem to be moved. Need to get the message out wider and farther to bury him in negative mail.
 
Dirt McGirt said:
I do believe that I have responsibilities, but I don’t believe in dictating that responsibility on others. If you look back on our country’s history there’s been plenty of times when things that were considered our “responsibility” weren’t right.

You also assume that everyone sees the same common enemy. They don’t.

And Arnold is incorrect. He of all people should realize why.

You’re lecturing me as if you know anything about me. Assuming that “I’m not doing the right thing” because I advocate for people to be able to choose for themselves is a mistake on your part. That you imply that I’m brainwashed by Fox News shows that you’re already blinded by partisan politics.
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No one is dictating what others should or shouldn't be doing.

All they are doing is pointing out that during WWII people cared more about others and therefore were willing to make greater sacrifices.
 
Top underlying medical conditions in hospitalized patients:

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Essential hypertension 51% (blood pressure)
Disorders of lipid metabolism 49% (cholesterol/triglycerides)
Obesity 33%
Diabetes with complication 32%
Coronary atherosclerosis and other heart disease 25%
Esophageal disorders 25% (heartburn, reflux)
Chronic kidney disease 25% (usually from diabetes)
Anxiety and fear related disorders 18%
COPD and bronchiectasis 17%
Thyroid disorders 17%
Depressive disorders 16%


Higher risk of death, IMVand ICU admission:
Obesity 30%
Anxiety and fear related disorders 28%
Diabetes with complication 26%
Chronic Kidney condition 21% (usually from diabetes)
Neurocognitive disorders 18% (dementia)
Chronic obstructive pulmonary disease and bronchiectasis 18% (emphysema)
Aplastic anemia 17%
Coronary atherosclerosis and other heart disease 14%
Thyroid disorders 4%

https://www.cdc.gov/pcd/issues/2021/21_0123.htm

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While all children are capable of getting the virus that causes COVID-19, they don't become sick as often as adults. Most children have mild symptoms or no symptoms. According to the American Academy of Pediatrics and the Children's Hospital Association, in the U.S. children represent about 13% of all COVID-19 cases.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...ronavirus-in-babies-and-children/art-20484405
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Stop living in AND spreading fear, worry, anger and stress, stop eating sugar, get some sunshine, walk more, go for a swim, take your C, D3, Zinc & Probiotic.

In other words build up your own body's immune system yourself before telling others to take experimental drugs instead.

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The Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) Results

From the 8/13/2021 release of VAERS data:
Found 595,622 cases where Vaccine is COVID19

https://medalerts.org/
https://medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?TABLE=ON&GROUP1=CAT&EVENTS=ON&VAX=COVID19
https://vaers.hhs.gov/about.html
https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/datarequest/D8;jsessionid=3F2AA2A393F0B670126D7906925D
 
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