Hospital Systems Beginning To Collapse

[PoliTalker]

“On Monday, under the emergency awning at University, there were lines of ambulances. AU Health and Doctor’s Hospital had a very similar sight.

...

We’re seeing wait times, that in some cases may seem astronomical. But this is a direct reflection of where we are based on COVID,” said Michael Myers, Gold Cross EMS, director of business development.

An ambulance can’t just drop a patient off and go. They must complete a transfer of care to the hospital. But because ERs are full, EMS crews are sitting outside with patients waiting for an ER room to open up. Depending on the timing the wait can be anywhere from 30 minutes to as long as six hours.

“We can have a crew that can get to a hospital but, but they may have to wait there. In some cases, hours with a patient, because there’s no room inside,” he said.

In a real example from over the weekend, Gold Cross picked up a patient at 9:58 a.m. and arrived at a local hospital at 10:34 a.m. but couldn’t leave until a room was available at 6:43 p.m."

Recent COVID surge overruns local hospitals slowing ambulance response times

It is astonishing that the right wants to ignore such shocking reports.

Brushing it off as if it's no big deal.

This is the real deal.

Hello. Is there a sentient being on the right? It's time to wake up and smell the reality.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

“On Monday, under the emergency awning at University, there were lines of ambulances. AU Health and Doctor’s Hospital had a very similar sight.

...

We’re seeing wait times, that in some cases may seem astronomical. But this is a direct reflection of where we are based on COVID,” said Michael Myers, Gold Cross EMS, director of business development.

An ambulance can’t just drop a patient off and go. They must complete a transfer of care to the hospital. But because ERs are full, EMS crews are sitting outside with patients waiting for an ER room to open up. Depending on the timing the wait can be anywhere from 30 minutes to as long as six hours.

“We can have a crew that can get to a hospital but, but they may have to wait there. In some cases, hours with a patient, because there’s no room inside,” he said.

In a real example from over the weekend, Gold Cross picked up a patient at 9:58 a.m. and arrived at a local hospital at 10:34 a.m. but couldn’t leave until a room was available at 6:43 p.m."

Recent COVID surge overruns local hospitals slowing ambulance response times

It is astonishing that the right wants to ignore such shocking reports.

Brushing it off as if it's no big deal.

This is the real deal.

Hello. Is there a sentient being on the right? It's time to wake up and smell the reality.

But there's no pandemic. It's all a hoax. -- Sister/Doctor Stench

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

But there's no pandemic. It's all a hoax. -- Sister/Doctor Stench

The pandemic is all too real. Due to the characteristics of the cult, many will be in denial right up until they are being wheeled into the ICU, if there is space. And then they say ok they will take the vaccine, but the doctors have to tell them it is too late.

How many right wing talk pundits have played out that same scenario?

I'm losing count.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,



The pandemic is all too real. Due to the characteristics of the cult, many will be in denial right up until they are being wheeled into the ICU, if there is space. And then they say ok they will take the vaccine, but the doctors have to tell them it is too late.

How many right wing talk pundits have played out that same scenario?

I'm losing count.

I'm trying to figure out what's in it for Sister Stench and the other anti-vaxxers-it's-a-hoax crazies here. She's been all over this forum for the last few days, repeating the same cut-n-paste bullshit about how the immunocompromised can't get the vaccine (they can, it just isn't as effective) and instead should rely on the monoclonal antibodies treatment. Apparently the treatment plan here is to let them get sick with COVID, then try to save them with the antibody therapy. Why? Just because SHE is afraid of the vaccine? Or did someone buy stock in the company that makes it? Cultists are insane. They invest themselves in a person or idea, and no amount of information to the contrary will ever be considered. Worse, they have a burning need to share it to recruit new cultists.

 

[Grumpy]

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Are the hospitals collapsing because of the plague or because they are requiring their employees to get vaxxed and they are leaving instead ???

The dims will not answer that question.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,

I'm trying to figure out what's in it for Sister Stench and the other anti-vaxxers-it's-a-hoax crazies here. She's been all over this forum for the last few days, repeating the same cut-n-paste bullshit about how the immunocompromised can't get the vaccine (they can, it just isn't as effective) and instead should rely on the monoclonal antibodies treatment. Apparently the treatment plan here is to let them get sick with COVID, then try to save them with the antibody therapy. Why? Just because SHE is afraid of the vaccine? Or did someone buy stock in the company that makes it? Cultists are insane. They invest themselves in a person or idea, and no amount of information to the contrary will ever be considered. Worse, they have a burning need to share it to recruit new cultists.

I have no time for people like that.

You have such a functional mind. I don't get why you waste your time with the dysfunctional who cannot carry on a mutually respectful conversation with anyone who doesn't agree with them. That amounts to making oneself an enabler for internet abuse. It invites more abuse. The result of that is a site so filled with outbursts of rage and emotional venting that ordinary people who consider chatting politics on an academic level poke their heads in here and quickly abandon any such thought, do a fast about-face, never to return.

What is the intellectual draw in insult contests?

Great minds speak of ideas. Average minds dwell on current events. Small minds concern themselves with other people.

Here is an idea, come to speak of it. You are the only one who can decide if you wish to transcend.

JPP is what the posters who participate make it.

I invite all to rise above the din.

There are so many real and pressing problems to solve.

They won't solve themselves without people talking about them, brainstorming possible solutions.

The internet is a fantastic medium for connecting minds; and look what we do with it.

 

[Micawber]

I'm trying to figure out what's in it for Sister Stench and the other anti-vaxxers-it's-a-hoax crazies here. She's been all over this forum for the last few days, repeating the same cut-n-paste bullshit about how the immunocompromised can't get the vaccine (they can, it just isn't as effective) and instead should rely on the monoclonal antibodies treatment. Apparently the treatment plan here is to let them get sick with COVID, then try to save them with the antibody therapy. Why? Just because SHE is afraid of the vaccine? Or did someone buy stock in the company that makes it? Cultists are insane. They invest themselves in a person or idea, and no amount of information to the contrary will ever be considered. Worse, they have a burning need to share it to recruit new cultists.

and that antibody treatment is prohibitively expensive.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Micawber,

and that antibody treatment is prohibitively expensive.

Ah, so another way for the rich to bilk the life savings out of the poor and middle.

Lemme guess. Desantis is invested in it.

 

[Micawber]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,



They won't solve themselves without people talking about them, brainstorming possible solutions.

The internet is a fantastic medium for connecting minds; and look what we do with it.

It is a fantastic medium to connect minds, and that is done every day all over the country in zoom calls at the business level and in academia
through meetings and professional conferences, and courts for example. Those venues are definitionally exclusive. This is a free for all of peasants and uneducated losers untethered
to even the lowest modicum of social decency and whose opinions are irrelevant except in voting patterns and in how they choose to behave in private life when those choices affect others.

So I don't care to hear them or anything they have to say. I don't care to convince them because I know that cannot be done.
I know what they are and I know everything they have to say before they say it. There isn't the concept in this universe that they can
acquaint me with. I can smell the difference within two posts and sort people according to IQ, social strata and educational attainment.
I block all the peasant morons and engage in my normal day in business environs which completely lack any of the idiocy that typifies the posting of these losers whose behavior maligns themselves.

 

[Micawber]

Hello Micawber,



Ah, so another way for the rich to bilk the life savings out of the poor and middle.

Lemme guess. Desantis is invested in it.

LOL yes. Well yes...and no. Some medicines are more expensive to produce, and end up boutique treatment for wealthy.
You can have an ailment that is very rare and so the impetus in profit motive is difficult to surmount. Assuming all drugs to be
marketed must be safe and effective, they required development, testing in animal, then clinical trials, etc etc .

Well if only 2 million people worldwide have the disease, it is going to cost a lot per dose in the end for the patent holder to get any return.

Digression though. Fauci pointed out his wish list for a "perfect covid pill"
One facet was that it be inexpensive.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Hello ThatOwlWoman,



I have no time for people like that.

You have such a functional mind. I don't get why you waste your time with the dysfunctional who cannot carry on a mutually respectful conversation with anyone who doesn't agree with them. That amounts to making oneself an enabler for internet abuse. It invites more abuse. The result of that is a site so filled with outbursts of rage and emotional venting that ordinary people who consider chatting politics on an academic level poke their heads in here and quickly abandon any such thought, do a fast about-face, never to return.

What is the intellectual draw in insult contests?

Great minds speak of ideas. Average minds dwell on current events. Small minds concern themselves with other people.

Here is an idea, come to speak of it. You are the only one who can decide if you wish to transcend.

JPP is what the posters who participate make it.

I invite all to rise above the din.

There are so many real and pressing problems to solve.

They won't solve themselves without people talking about them, brainstorming possible solutions.

The internet is a fantastic medium for connecting minds; and look what we do with it.

You are scolding the wrong person, Poli.

If you block out the irrational yet civil, you start to live in a bubble where you are not able to figure out WTF these ppl are saying, and why. I do block out the uncivil whose only contribution is personal attacks and racism. But I'm here not just to say what I think, but find out what the other side is up to as well.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

and that antibody treatment is prohibitively expensive.

Yes, it is. It's approximately $1500 per dose. Right now it's "free" -- i.e., we taxpayers are coughing up for it. Isn't it pretty incredible that a Reichwinger would be okay with the government spending money for treatment when prevention is much less expensive and effective?

 

[evince]

I'm trying to figure out what's in it for Sister Stench and the other anti-vaxxers-it's-a-hoax crazies here. She's been all over this forum for the last few days, repeating the same cut-n-paste bullshit about how the immunocompromised can't get the vaccine (they can, it just isn't as effective) and instead should rely on the monoclonal antibodies treatment. Apparently the treatment plan here is to let them get sick with COVID, then try to save them with the antibody therapy. Why? Just because SHE is afraid of the vaccine? Or did someone buy stock in the company that makes it? Cultists are insane. They invest themselves in a person or idea, and no amount of information to the contrary will ever be considered. Worse, they have a burning need to share it to recruit new cultists.

They are not human


They are 12 cent an hour russian programs designed to cause death, pain and devision in America


They need to be treated as such

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Micawber,

LOL yes. Well yes...and no. Some medicines are more expensive to produce, and end up boutique treatment for wealthy.
You can have an ailment that is very rare and so the impetus in profit motive is difficult to surmount. Assuming all drugs to be
marketed must be safe and effective, they required development, testing in animal, then clinical trials, etc etc .

Well if only 2 million people worldwide have the disease, it is going to cost a lot per dose in the end for the patent holder to get any return.

Digression though. Fauci pointed out his wish list for a "perfect covid pill"
One facet was that it be inexpensive.

Absolutely. The best case would be if we had free/low cost instant at-home effective testing.

The biggest weapon the virus wields against humanity is that most people have no idea if they have the disease or not.

If we just knew, then the people who have it could isolate, and stop spreading it.

 

[evince]

Ignoring their lies gives their lies room to grow folks


Take a look at what ignoring the tea party got us

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Hello Micawber,



Absolutely. The best case would be if we had free/low cost instant at-home effective testing.

The biggest weapon the virus wields against humanity is that most people have no idea if they have the disease or not.

If we just knew, then the people who have it could isolate, and stop spreading it.

They won't though, especially if they don't feel sick. Hell, they won't even wear masks or avoid crowded places.

 

[evince]

Hello Micawber,



Absolutely. The best case would be if we had free/low cost instant at-home effective testing.

The biggest weapon the virus wields against humanity is that most people have no idea if they have the disease or not.

If we just knew, then the people who have it could isolate, and stop spreading it.

Science knew how to deal with this


Trump prevented science from dealing with it by promoting lies and chaos


It was done on purpose


This has been a concerted effort to kill democracy so the Republican Party can maintain a endless majority

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

It's interesting that you all think that a 2% death rate is meh, yet freak out over an alleged death rate of 0.00001626016%*, assuming your 6,000 figure is 1) accurate, and 2) refers to ppl who died after getting the vaccine.

* I'll show my work.

that is because that 2% would have died anyway whether it be flu or covid, those 6,000 would not have died had they not taken the vaccine

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

that is because that 2% would have died anyway whether it be flu or covid, those 6,000 would not have died had they not taken the vaccine

Good gods. Seriously? So you are okay with 650,000+* dead Americans, but the 6,000 who allegedly died either due to the vaccine itself, or that it didn't work for them, are the tragedy. WTF.

You've earned your screen name in spades. "Make America Grieve Again." You disgust me with your callous stupidity. Let's see if you can tell us how many Americans die of "the flu" in a typical year. We'll wait. And wait. And wait.

Tired of waiting. Here, some more data that you will ignore.

"The CDC estimates that an average of 36,000 people died of the flu each year over the past decade. The worst recent flu season was 2017-2018, when 61,000 people died from the flu. Around 22,000 people died of the flu during the shorter 2019-2020 season — the second lowest death total in the past 10 years, after the 12,000 flu deaths in the 2011-2012 season." (source: https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-die-flu/)

61,000 versus 650,000. Dismissed.

* source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

 

[Stringfellow Hawk]

Good gods. Seriously? So you are okay with 650,000+* dead Americans, but the 6,000 who allegedly died either due to the vaccine itself, or that it didn't work for them, are the tragedy. WTF.

You've earned your screen name in spades. "Make America Grieve Again." You disgust me with your callous stupidity. Let's see if you can tell us how many Americans die of "the flu" in a typical year. We'll wait. And wait. And wait.

Tired of waiting. Here, some more data that you will ignore.

"The CDC estimates that an average of 36,000 people died of the flu each year over the past decade. The worst recent flu season was 2017-2018, when 61,000 people died from the flu. Around 22,000 people died of the flu during the shorter 2019-2020 season — the second lowest death total in the past 10 years, after the 12,000 flu deaths in the 2011-2012 season." (source: https://usafacts.org/articles/how-many-people-die-flu/)

61,000 versus 650,000. Dismissed.

* source: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/us/

If Biden had been President that number would have been over 1 million as that motherfucker can't even tie his own shoes. There would not have been a vaccine period. Trump is the only reason Biden has a vaccine to push. How odd that you forgot Pelosi, Shumer, and De Blasio ignoring Trump when he wanted to shut down all flights in and out of China which they thought was no big deal. Those deaths (most of them not due to covid) belong to democrats